US Airways Becomes AMR Creditor

[dollacrackho]

all over Phoenix news that this is going down and new airline will be AA, dropping USair and moving to DFW.

Not if Horton has anything to say about it. He's gonna delay this as much as possible until the creditors break his arms.

 

[dollacrackho]

Or on the other hand apparently the amr and lcc CEOs are meeting right now discussing a merger over oatmeal?

 

[dollacrackho]

http://www.thestreet.com/story/1164...n-merger-contract.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO

hey look at that , doogie finally remembered he should probably talk to the us airways pilots.

 

[Flybywire44]

Look like Eric? Yea, if I lost 60 lbs & 12 years, visited the hair club for men and dyed it black. Need a new pair of glasses? :beer:

Cactusboy53,

What are your thoughts on Scope in APA's CLA and LBO?

We should not let the size of our contract aircraft nor the fixed number of them operating go beyond Delta's.

FYI, the LBO AMR has given APA uses a percentage based on narrow body fleet count (40% by 2017) and not a fixed number.

 

[OPECJet]

all over phoenix news that this is going down and new airline will be aa, dropping usair and moving to dfw.

coming soon to a pay-per-view channel near you........

Seniority Death Match 2013!!!!!!!!

Watch as USAPA and APA battle it out in this winner take nothing free for all of death, destruction, and maaaaaaayhemmmmmm!!!!!!!!!

We'll sell ya the whole seat but you'll only need tha edge.........

 

[charlie2]

coming soon to a pay-per-view channel near you........

Seniority Death Match 2013!!!!!!!!

Watch as USAPA and APA battle it out in this winner take nothing free for all of death, destruction, and maaaaaaayhemmmmmm!!!!!!!!!

We'll sell ya the whole seat but you'll only need tha edge.........

I think a furloughed pilot at AA should keep their date of hire and even though I'm not furloughed if they were hired before me they should be senior to me. No they wouldn't be able to bump me into a firlough but when they get recalled they should be above me in seniority. I would never take advantage of this to step ahead of another pilot because of the highly paid clerks at AA who mismanaged the company. Until a Herb Kelleher type person takes over our airlines and treats us with respect we have to recognize that the clerks are our enemies and we need to fight them and not join up with them against another pilot group.

 

[JudgeSmails218]

I think a furloughed pilot at AA should keep their date of hire and even though I'm not furloughed if they were hired before me they should be senior to me. No they wouldn't be able to bump me into a firlough but when they get recalled they should be above me in seniority. I would never take advantage of this to step ahead of another pilot because of the highly paid clerks at AA who mismanaged the company. Until a Herb Kelleher type person takes over our airlines and treats us with respect we have to recognize that the clerks are our enemies and we need to fight them and not join up with them against another pilot group.

So you think a pilot that was in AA indoc--never finished sim training, never did OE, never did a single revenue flight before they got furloughed due to 9/11 should go ahead of someone who's been on the property the last 5 years? I think LONGEVITY should count for something as well.

 

[The Drizzle]

So you think a pilot that was in AA indoc--never finished sim training, never did OE, never did a single revenue flight before they got furloughed due to 9/11 should go ahead of someone who's been on the property the last 5 years? I think LONGEVITY should count for something as well.

You forgot to add, "and has been working for a competitor of their original airline for the last 6 years."

 

[charlie2]

So you think a pilot that was in AA indoc--never finished sim training, never did OE, never did a single revenue flight before they got furloughed due to 9/11 should go ahead of someone who's been on the property the last 5 years? I think LONGEVITY should count for something as well.

I would consider that but stapling them because "they bring nothing to the table" is not something I would do...if I were King.

 

[charlie2]

You forgot to add, "and has been working for a competitor of their original airline for the last 6 years."

I know our employers "compete" as business's but why do we have to as pilots? If so we shouldn't even fake "unity" in unions...get rid of them save our dues and let upgrades be based on how well you know the boss or how good you kiss their behind. If US Crapways craps me out again and I take a job at a "competitor" to feed my family that makes me a bad man?

 

[The Drizzle]

I know our employers "compete" as business's but why do we have to as pilots? If so we shouldn't even fake "unity" in unions...get rid of them save our dues and let upgrades be based on how well you know the boss or how good you kiss their behind. If US Crapways craps me out again and I take a job at a "competitor" to feed my family that makes me a bad man?

You are seeing it from the wrong angle, it has nothing to do with integrity or making one a bad man. The point is that those on furlough are not actively contributing to their company, some may even be acting against their original company and should not be rewarded. Deny and stall all you want, but relative seniority is the true gold standard and the lowest relative position is the one that is on the street.

 

[charlie2]

You are seeing it from the wrong angle, it has nothing to do with integrity or making one a bad man. The point is that those on furlough are not actively contributing to their company, some may even be acting against their original company and should not be rewarded. Deny and stall all you want, but relative seniority is the true gold standard and the lowest relative position is the one that is on the street.

Hey drizzle you are in a way agreeing with me! The high paid clerks that force a hard working family man into furlough after years of service should not be the people that another pilot would want to team up with. The example of a pilot who gets furloughed after one day of indoc is nice but what about this. A new company starts up and a street captain gets hired. That company is M/A'd by a company with 16 year guys on furlough and you think it's right to make the first guy the second 's captain? I say lets stop letting management clerks enable us pilots to scew each other.

 

[The Drizzle]

That company is M/A'd by a company with 16 year guys on furlough and you think it's right to make the first guy the second 's captain?

Yes. So it goes.

 

[charlie2]

Yes. So it goes.

Hope it doesn't happen to you.

 

[Turtle21]

Hope it doesn't happen to you.

Your kind intention is misplaced.

He is junior, just got hire as a captain, direct into a 737, in class now. He HOPES it does happen to him. :lol: Its just the way it goes, and all that.

 

[Turtle21]

You forgot to add, "and has been working for a competitor of their original airline for the last 6 years."

Maybe, maybe not. So what? Could have been a realtor, a Home Depot associate, or a Mesa pilot. What difference does it make?

 

[The Drizzle]

Hope it doesn't happen to you.

Thanks, so it goes.

Your kind intention is misplaced.

He is junior, just got hire as a captain, direct into a 737, in class now. He HOPES it does happen to him. :lol: Its just the way it goes, and all that.

Thanks for the assumptions and ill will. When it happens to me *again* it will simply happen.

Maybe, maybe not. So what? Could have been a realtor, a Home Depot associate, or a Mesa pilot. What difference does it make?

To me? None. To an agreed upon arbitrator? The Nic, and Eichen's recent-ish F9/YX/RAH decisions can point you in the right direction. While they make no mention of what they are doing on furlough I was only trying to, poorly I admit, show that the "contributions" of one on furlough to a merged company are negligible to nil in their eyes. Working for a competitor was only to illustrate that somebody could be working to harm, albeit unintentionally, their original company will be rewarded. Nothing else.

 

[Golden Falcon]

A bunch of the big kahunas are in Dallas right now.....ball rolling/?

 

[Turtle21]

. Working for a competitor was only to illustrate that somebody could be working to harm, albeit unintentionally, their original company...

Do I understand you to say that if someone is furloughed and is then employed and working at a competitor, you think that they are harming the company from which they are furloughed?

Should we run from our shadows too?

 

[Golden Falcon]

What if you all just let General Lee...(loser on here and the civil war as well) decide whether you deserve a job and are able to feed your families...I'm sure he has all the right answers....