US Airways and PSA to furlough

[lindsaya99]

PSA brothers.....get out and do it now! TK has marching orders to start pulling flying down in an attempt to deal with the clostly 50 seat RJ. Not good.....

and go where?

 

[SmitteyB]

and go where?

Good point. There is a reason wholly owneds don't work.

CFI?

 

[ex j-41]

Wonder what Stanley and Limp Dick Queer Coeling will pull out of their arse to explain this one.

PSA brothers.....get out and do it now! TK has marching orders to start pulling flying down in an attempt to deal with the clostly 50 seat RJ. Not good.....

Good luck Blustreakers..........Local ALPA Weak + High Oil = TK f..in around with numbers again

Have some respect. If you dislike our union this much then stop paying your dues and get your name put in the back of our contract.

 

[trainer8]

J for J round two will not happen unless PSA gets more airplanes.

True, kinda...and it will be round 3 or 4...I lost count. PSA, or RPA, to be specific. From the memos and last face to face I was in with a, LCC Asst. CP, (WB-CLT) LCC is not happy with Mesa, so I don't see anything going on there. Their contract is up in '12 (I think) and can't get here fast enough for LCC.

I can't see LCC purchasing/leasing anything to the PWOs right now. But, stranger things have happened.

Also, mainline is now USAPA. Different union, and different rules.

Yes, but, no. The J4J protocols are still in affect through the LOAs. USAPA has to honor them or renegotiate them. If it happens, which I doubt, the main body of the J4J will stay. For know, J4J is dormant, unless they turn the E190s loose to an affiliate. LCC did it with the E170s, but there are scope issues with the E190s that would have to be resolved. I highly doubt USAPA will give up scope.

T8

 

[trainer8]

you mean RAH then followed by SkyWest

Last I looked, SkyWest is not a LCC Express affiliate...yet. Did I miss something?

T8

 

[BoilerUP]

Last I looked, SkyWest is not a LCC Express affiliate...yet. Did I miss something?

Only the arrogance of some Skywest pilots thinking their company is the odds-on favorite for ANY replacement or growth small jet flying for ANY airline.

 

[Soverytired]

Mesa is on the way out, no doubt about it.

However, I don't think the net gain for RAH or Skywest will be anything dramatic.

Delta is trying to dump Mesa and Pinnacle because they don't need the lift, not because they want to replace it.

Very sad about the US Air pilots. Those guys have probably been on the property less than a year, and took huge paycuts to get there in the first place. On the other hand, they're probably in the best place to fly international for a few years (typed) then come back it they really want to take the huge pay cut.

 

[SkyNation]

Only the arrogance of some Skywest pilots thinking their company is the odds-on favorite for ANY replacement or growth small jet flying for ANY airline.

as to this particular situation, who then is the 'odds on favorite'?

 

[BoilerUP]

as to this particular situation, who then is the 'odds on favorite'?

For replacing Mesa in the US Airways system?

I'd say "nobody"...but if Dougie gives you USX flying then good for ya...

 

[trainer8]

For replacing Mesa in the US Airways system?

I'd say "nobody"...but if Dougie gives you USX flying then good for ya...

Might be RPA. They just moved to the C Terminal in CLT and Mesa moved to the E Terminal. Picking up more Mesa weekend flights and some former PSA weekend stuff in July. Some might be seasonal flying.

T8

 

[meyers9163]

Might be RPA. They just moved to the C Terminal in CLT and Mesa moved to the E Terminal. Picking up more Mesa weekend flights and some former PSA weekend stuff in July. Some might be seasonal flying.

T8

Dont know specifics but Joe Rose came in. Said all USairway express carriers got flying cut for the future. PSA/PDT lost the least via percentage. Contract carriers lost greater percentages. According to him, he was part of the phone convos with Parker and the others, the convo stated they could not furlough mainline without cutting express as well. Thus all express carriers for Usairways is "supposely" going to be losing flying. Now who knows what will really happen.

 

[buxflyr]

Dont know specifics but Joe Rose came in. Said all USairway express carriers got flying cut for the future. PSA/PDT lost the least via percentage. Contract carriers lost greater percentages. According to him, he was part of the phone convos with Parker and the others, the convo stated they could not furlough mainline without cutting express as well. Thus all express carriers for Usairways is "supposely" going to be losing flying. Now who knows what will really happen.

smoooooooooookin' joe!

 

[meyers9163]

smoooooooooookin' joe!

Yeah that guy... As I said I dont know how much of that I believe. Or perhaps PSA/PDT just got cut and he's trying to make it sound better. But I'd have a feeling everyone lost some.

 

[BrownStreak]

Yeah that guy... As I said I dont know how much of that I believe. Or perhaps PSA/PDT just got cut and he's trying to make it sound better. But I'd have a feeling everyone lost some.

When someone is willing to sign diamond J off IOE then I'll start to believe his oral diarhea. He's just TK's little puppet.
Remember when he told us we'd be shutting down next week if we didn't vote yes on the 900s. He's full of sh!t!

 

[n757st]

Dont know specifics but Joe Rose came in. Said all USairway express carriers got flying cut for the future. PSA/PDT lost the least via percentage. Contract carriers lost greater percentages. According to him, he was part of the phone convos with Parker and the others, the convo stated they could not furlough mainline without cutting express as well. Thus all express carriers for Usairways is "supposely" going to be losing flying. Now who knows what will really happen.

The only thing I could see them doing is pulling down some flight hours, but they will even have a hard time with that.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Dont know specifics but Joe Rose came in. Said all USairway express carriers got flying cut for the future. PSA/PDT lost the least via percentage. Contract carriers lost greater percentages. According to him, he was part of the phone convos with Parker and the others, the convo stated they could not furlough mainline without cutting express as well. Thus all express carriers for Usairways is "supposely" going to be losing flying. Now who knows what will really happen.

According to PDT management (I know, consider the source!) so far we are up block hours to the point that we are adding one aircraft into the rotation and canceling the paint line for now to cover the flying. As mainline pulls down though, I still wouln't be suprised by some reduction as th need for feed decreases.

 

[meyers9163]

The only thing I could see them doing is pulling down some flight hours, but they will even have a hard time with that.

Hard time doing what, reducing hours of carriers? Not at all. They can do as they wish as bad as it sucks. As long as you have flying they have met the contract. Also I'd be more worried about the Chap 11 thoughts. If airways were to TU I really dont see them bouncing back IMO.

 

[n757st]

Hard time doing what, reducing hours of carriers? Not at all. They can do as they wish as bad as it sucks. As long as you have flying they have met the contract. Also I'd be more worried about the Chap 11 thoughts. If airways were to TU I really dont see them bouncing back IMO.

Oh I agree about the chapter 11, but there are minimum block hours in every contract, I am guessing they are pretty close to them now, and I am betting by the end of the summer they will still be pretty close to them.

 

[meyers9163]

Oh I agree about the chapter 11, but there are minimum block hours in every contract, I am guessing they are pretty close to them now, and I am betting by the end of the summer they will still be pretty close to them.

Yeah I cant even pretend to act as if I know. Heck I dont even think any pilot really knows that. Its like MGT secret and they keep it away from us. Hopefully if they do reduce our flying "express in general" it will keep them from going Chap 11 which I do believe will result in airways ceasing ops.

 

[IADBLRJ41]

I bet all Airways Express will lose flying.. PSA and PDT will have AWAC and Republic join them.