US air thanks but no thanks letter

[kf4amu]

I have not heard of any of the wholly owned pilots getting that letter. So maybe there is something to be said for working at PDT and PSA...

 

[xjhawk]

Well, here is the deal. There are a lot of the same issues involved here master shake. There are not a lot of spots available for the airlines who are hiring. I have applied at a few and have not heard anything positive and I have much the same qualifications as you do-I am even a Veteran so I thought that was a plus. But all aside, what we need to understand is that until the all the majors are hiring a couple hundred a year each-we need to deal with the following.

-Nepotism-having family at airlines or having multiple letters of recommendations.
-Diversity-do I need to say more? Heck Virgin devotes a huge section of their career site explaining how they will hire people who are not white males-do you think I am kidding? Its a good company but they are all like that with the same HR directives on who they should hire
-Chuck Yeager types. I am not an astronaut, a fighter jock, test pilot, 29 years old Academy graduate with parent who is a senator....you get the idea.

When all these are hired in the next 2-4 years, us average regional pilots who are 40 or older with a couple grand PIC and 6,000 hours total time white guys will not get hired. Yes there are exceptions.....sometimes a few fall through the cracks....

So I will keep trying-Pinnacle is not a place I want to be

 

[Abernathy]

Well, here is the deal. There are a lot of the same issues involved here master shake. There are not a lot of spots available for the airlines who are hiring. I have applied at a few and have not heard anything positive and I have much the same qualifications as you do-I am even a Veteran so I thought that was a plus. But all aside, what we need to understand is that until the all the majors are hiring a couple hundred a year each-we need to deal with the following.

-Nepotism-having family at airlines or having multiple letters of recommendations.
-Diversity-do I need to say more? Heck Virgin devotes a huge section of their career site explaining how they will hire people who are not white males-do you think I am kidding? Its a good company but they are all like that with the same HR directives on who they should hire
-Chuck Yeager types. I am not an astronaut, a fighter jock, test pilot, 29 years old Academy graduate with parent who is a senator....you get the idea.

When all these are hired in the next 2-4 years, us average regional pilots who are 40 or older with a couple grand PIC and 6,000 hours total time white guys will not get hired. Yes there are exceptions.....sometimes a few fall through the cracks....

So I will keep trying-Pinnacle is not a place I want to be

So usair sends you a thanks but no thanks and all of a sudden it's so hard and such a burden being white? Just remember that the huge majority of newhire majors pilots are still white males. My guess is that with your quals, they think you will be applying to delta as soon as you get done with ioe.

 

[cbrown1]

Well for years I was told "you don't have the pic time" and now it's "oh you've got too much pic time".

 

[waveflyer]

Well for years I was told "you don't have the pic time" and now it's "oh you've got too much pic time".

If youre willing to take the paycut to be a AAA FO, then make the investment and set up an appointment w/ Emerald aviation- let them prep you, go through your docs, and dispell some of the many myths going on here-
Then, patience- absolutely, there are not many hiring and you'll be in a better spot two years from now- tenacity is good, but networking and building real relationships, consistency, professionalism, etc-

It's just an initial reaction- but if you have nothing distinguishing you, you probably won't get called- so try to instruct/CA- and then realize that outsourcing went crazy and there's been probably less than a 1000 pilots hired in the last 3 years since the economic downturn- which means that 7000 hours and 3000tpic, may just not be that much-
I can say with absolute certainty that the 737 type does not hurt you, nor the amount of PIC time you got.

Too much? Really? I'd be shocked if this were determined to be true-
Remember, there's a whole lot of check airmen who have been accumulating their 700-1000 hours a year, right along with you-
No movement resets the bar-
Maybe consider overseas, or a heavy operator?? Distinguish yourself-
But the only current advice I have is show maturity, professionalism, and enough character to see your own quals in context-
Those of us who have been in the airline washing machine aren't impressed by an immature response to stagnation we're all dealing with- think the recruiter or interviewers, or select board members will be? What are the chances they've had a smooth sailing career?
Keep your head up. Press on. Make smart choices.
I predict a much better hiring outlook in just a year anyway-

But forget everything I said if you can remember to call emerald aviation- they'll know a whole lot more

 

[Ocity]

Who the hell am I not competitive with?????

The mentally insane and the masochistic.

Forget that dump.

 

[cbrown1]

was this letter sent via email or snail mail?

 

[flyboyike]

I haven't heard a thing.

 

[Flyer1015]

Yeah, I got that 'denied' email too.

-Diversity-do I need to say more? Heck Virgin devotes a huge section of their career site explaining how they will hire people who are not white males-do you think I am kidding? Its a good company but they are all like that with the same HR directives on who they should hire

Almost every airline has a diversity page under their career section, including US Airways.

 

[MAJICJOHNSON]

Got the Rejection Email as well...8,800 total md-11/b-747 type ratings.

 

[IBNAV8R]

This thread is a joke, right? Could it be that UnServicableAir realizes they don't really want anyone who would actually want to work there?

 

[jonjuan]

Got the Rejection Email as well...8,800 total md-11/b-747 type ratings.

Unlike what wave said, I know for a fact that having a ton of hours, 737 type with no hours, etc is "sometimes" not looked on in an overly favorable manner. Fact.

 

[cbrown1]

I haven't heard a thing.

Me too.
Did you go to the job fair?

 

[weasel_lips]

This " too much turbine PIC" garbage is just that. They need people who are proven Captains. A320 upgrades are going to be 5 years or less, and e190 even less. It would make no sense to hire a bunch of career FOs. You guys with the "too much turbine PIC" have some other issue holding you back....

 

[RT8VA]

When I was at XJ a four of us went to the WIA conference, all white males and all had a lot of time to talk to the Airlines and Corporate we wanted to go to. We all got hired at the ones that we wanted. Find a way to get your resume higher on the stack, find some one you know that is there and see if they will help go to a conference be seen. Good Luck as an ex xjer I know how you feel Hawk.