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brownie

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ups just announced future planning for FY06.
scs will get bigger and bigger so there is a need for more contractors.
Ups authorizes all contractors to start new hire classes immediatly and purchase more aircraft for menlo, china and all future expansion.
There will be atleast 4 more vacancy bid announced by ups for future contractors.
The net increase will be.
Ups crew = 0
Ups aircraft = 0
We will be rewarding our crew members with the industry leadng contract they deserve as long as we can stay competetive and will not undermining our subcontracting policy.
 
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410dude

Wow, I thought you guys were hiring. Which contractors are hiring now?
 

Clyde

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brownie said:
ups just announced future planning for FY06.
scs will get bigger and bigger so there is a need for more contractors.
Ups authorizes all contractors to start new hire classes immediatly and purchase more aircraft for menlo, china and all future expansion.
There will be atleast 4 more vacancy bid announced by ups for future contractors.
The net increase will be.
Ups crew = 0
Ups aircraft = 0
We will be rewarding our crew members with the industry leadng contract they deserve as long as we can stay competetive and will not undermining our subcontracting policy.
WHAT ABOUT THE LEATHER JACKETS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

:D
 

Chris9702l

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Contract and scope

How's the contract going? Thought UPS was in the final stages before a strike. Also, is there going to be anything in the contract about scope?
 

boomlrd

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410dude said:
Wow, I thought you guys were hiring. Which contractors are hiring now?
TOLD YOU 410DUDE!!! Get your facts straight, contractors are here to stay. Oh yea, what about that crap you claimed about 30 day notices being sent out to the outstation contractors?? UPS is trying to keep competitive, the only way to do that is to keep costs down, ie - cheap labor!! PEACE!
 

Below Mins

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Chris9702l said:
How's the contract going? Thought UPS was in the final stages before a strike. Also, is there going to be anything in the contract about scope?
The NMB put UPS and the IPA in an indefinite recess at the end of June. The IPA membership is currently taking a vote to request release from mediation. Results will be announced on 8/31.

Scope, along with compensation, retirement, healthcare, and scheduling have yet to be resolved. In other words, a lot of work still needs to be done.
 

Chris9702l

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The picture is clear now

Know this situation all too well. Nothing is going to get done until the pilots get released, threaten to strike, and nothing will get done until the last hour.
 
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410dude

boomlrd said:
TOLD YOU 410DUDE!!! Get your facts straight, contractors are here to stay. Oh yea, what about that crap you claimed about 30 day notices being sent out to the outstation contractors?? UPS is trying to keep competitive, the only way to do that is to keep costs down, ie - cheap labor!! PEACE!

Let's see who's the one laughing and who's the one crying come the end of December! I KNOW you will be the one crying to find a new contract!!!! OBTW, you contractors would make a better impression with some freshly laundered pilot shirts according to UPS management!!!!
 
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We will still be in DAY after December, as far as the disgusting looking people with dirty uniforms that work for CAT, I definitely have to agree with you. Remember at CAT its two different types of people - the ones using it as a stepping stone going up, or the guys that can't go anywhere else and are going down. Just type in the last names of some of the guys at CAT in Google, wow some have had quite a past, violations, felonies, we got it all at CAT!
 

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saw my upgrade takeoff out of bna the other day.

"you are now cleared for the great wall one arrival, contact tower at chow mein."
 

Clyde

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boomlrd said:
TOLD YOU 410DUDE!!! Get your facts straight, contractors are here to stay. Oh yea, what about that crap you claimed about 30 day notices being sent out to the outstation contractors?? UPS is trying to keep competitive, the only way to do that is to keep costs down, ie - cheap labor!! PEACE!
Um, you are aware that brownie's post was sarcastic right?

FWIW, a company does do well by keeping it's costs down. Cheap labor is really a relative term. If a company is in a lot of debt and just barely breaking even, than labor would be the quickest way to start lowering costs. If the company is extremely profitable and has little or no debt and isn't scrambling to cover or renegotiate aircraft leases, than a higher-than-average salary for it's employees can still allow the company to be competitive and profitable.

What can be more damaging and far more worse to a company than labor expense is unreliability.

When you contract stuff out, you lose a lot of control over the reliability that the package is going to arrive where and when it's supposed to. Nothing against the pilots who fly for contractors, but that reliability cannot be assured when stuff is contracted out. And once a product or service is deemed unreliable by a customer base, those customers are going to select another competitor to accomplish that service.

Everyone seems to think that low labor costs are the key here. It has to do with how much total debt the company is under. If your company is heavily leveraged and is somewhat profitable, then great. But, once the economy hiccups a little and the revenue slows down, the profits start to fall. That's when an airline starts looking for concessions and slashing pay. Not because cheap labor=profitability, but because a particular airline may be so heavily leveraged, that labor is the only thing that they can go after.
 

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410dude said:
Wow, I thought you guys were hiring. Which contractors are hiring now?

410dude- that avatar fits you perfect! Keep up the good work! :p
 
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