UPS Interview 03/31

[Flybwoy]

Heard UPS hired a female Commutair Beech 1900 Captain recently. So it sounds like Beech 1900 time is good enough!

No! This person worked for the company years prior and had many letters of rec. Just cause you have flight time doesn't make you qualified. You still have to compete for the interview and the job. Right? Or let me guess, since your daddy went to Harvard you feel you should get in too?

 

[Cruiseclimb]

The grass isn't any greener (or purpler) over here.

Actually the grass is much greener and purpler.

30K more first year

about 70K cumulative more over first 5 years- probably much more with quicker upgrade to FO

Upgrade 5.5 vs 9.5-10

better sick and vacation

better work rules

A & B Fund cumulatively a wash

UPS is an INCREDIBLE company that is going to get a HUGE raise one week before FDX settles at UPS + 1% and keeps the aformentioned advantages

Ask our IPA- 12 have left for FDX out of 120 new hires 10%

The IPA loves it- good for negotiations and a BIG black eye for brown.

So much for the 3% turnover rate!

Brown has built me a huge house and bought many toys- however it is nice to see them get knocked a peg.

I'd rather be 2nd most desireable than be a bankrupt Pax carrier.

 

[Cruiseclimb]

EXACTLY. Now, all the guys that his sponsor knows are screwed. I couldn't do that either.

BROWN RUMOR CONTROL

Not true!

Someone I sponsored passed up an April class at the last minute. HR sent me an E-mail that day. When I told them he was going to FDX they were not suprised (12 this year). They know it is near impossible to lure those best of the best who have a choice until they offer legitimate compensation.

One of my other sponsors was called with a class date this week!

 

[casper727]

CruiseClimb,


Can you let us know what class date your sponsor got this week. Was it for a May class and if so what are the dates of the May classes and breakdowns if they are available. Looking for any info on upcoming classdates.

Thanks

 

[av8trix]

BROWN RUMOR CONTROL

Not true!

Someone I sponsored passed up an April class at the last minute. HR sent me an E-mail that day. When I told them he was going to FDX they were not suprised (12 this year). They know it is near impossible to lure those best of the best who have a choice until they offer legitimate compensation.



That's what HR told us. Maybe they were just threatening; I don't know. I'll be glad if it's not true as I don't think it would be fair to punish all the future hopefuls his sponsor knows on the actions of one guy. Turns out he's in my husband's FDX class.

 

[UPSFO]

Regarding Beech 1900 time, I spoke with a manager several months ago and he confirmed that they are primarliy looking for jet time in their candidates. My advice, prior to this new hiring push, had been to fly a 1900 as it usually will get you the 1000 hours PIC the quickest. That advice has now changed. I am now recommending an RJ job over a 1900 job, even though the upgrade is usually much longer. For those that are currently 1900 drivers and interested in UPS, get your 1000 hours PIC and then get into a jet. I've seen guys leave 1900 jobs before getting their 1000 hours in the left seat. Professionally speaking, I feel that's unwise as you're missing a chance to check a very important box that you won't get for quite a few years.

As for those leaving UPS for FedEx, I completely understand that as you move a lot faster up the seniority list there than at Brown. Add the insulting first year pay and it's a no-brainer! $400/week (take home) barely covers the mortgage, let alone food, utilities, and clothes for the kids. Keep in mind that our new hires are most likely working on retro pay.

 

[acbarney]

One of my other sponsors was called with a class date this week!

When you say "sponsor" at UPS, what do you mean. Can an individual (pilot) at UPS do more than simply writing an online rec. for someone seeking a job?

Thanks!

 

[320AV8R]

What if you don't know anyone at UPS / FEDEX ?

My friend's son is getting outta the Navy (F-18) pretty soon, & has no contacts at either carrier. He really wants to work at FEDEX or UPS. Does he stand a chance ?

320AV8R

 

[767pilot]

I guess everyone has individual circumstances, but I know I’d never be able to look my recommendations in the eye again if I'd done something similar.

RB

The guy that wrote his recomendation got a nice little love note from UPS HR. I am sure that they won't forget.

 

[767pilot]

Ask our IPA- 12 have left for FDX out of 120 new hires 10.

I heard the figure was 5. I was talking to Bill T. (our lawyer) and he told me "some" have left. I imagine that it is in our interest to infalte the number. I'm glad that those leaving will end up where they want, but in the process they have screwed the guys that recomended them, all of that guys friends, and all of those in the pool, waiting for their call.

 

[Cruiseclimb]

I guess everyone has individual circumstances, but I know I’d never be able to look my recommendations in the eye again if I'd done something similar.
RB

EXACTLY. Now, all the guys that his sponsor knows are screwed. I couldn't do that either.

You guys have got to be kidding me. If you were only pursuing UPS, that was very foolish. If you were wisely pursuing both then you run the risk of saying no to one carrier. As a member of our training dept., I have recommended several (5) of our current group, two new hires. I told all of them to pursue all the top jobs and let the chips fall where they may.

The fact is that when there is clearly a better choice, a few studs will have that choice. I hope that our new contract will have guys bailing from FDX to join our ranks.

Rory and Av8trix: Don't let your insecurities show- we're all hoping to close the gap on the purple monster.

 

[Rory Bellows]

You guys have got to be kidding me.

Insecurities? Hmmm, I’ll have to think about that one.

No one ever said don’t send your resume to more than one company. For me, UPS has always been my goal and I am both lucky and happy to be here.

With regard to your statements, “you run the risk of saying no to one carrier” and “let the chips fall where they may,” you’re absolutely right. However, I think most would agree it’s best to say no to that one carrier prior to saying yes. It not only reflects poorly on those who were your sponsor, but it reflects poorly on yourself. The chips fell…and this guy said yes to UPS. There was still one carrier left to say no to.

Who cares, you say? The guy’s got the job he wants? Well, personally I don’t care anything about this guy in particular. I have no idea who he is. I just think his actions were somewhat unethical. There were other ways to handle the situation. Maybe he could have delayed class at UPS to see what was going to happen with FedEx?

When I sat at that interview (twice) and said I wanted to be at UPS, I meant it. Apparently, some people say they want to be at UPS, and convincingly enough, but what they really mean to say is they want to be at UPS if FedEx doesn’t call first. But I guess saying that doesn’t bode very well in an interview.

I’m not insecure. I just appreciate what my sponsors did for me. I think walking out in your first week is a pretty lousy way to show your appreciation.

It’s all moot though. It’s just my opinion.

Rory

 

[Cruiseclimb]

I have no idea who he is. I just think his actions were somewhat unethical. There were other ways to handle the situation. Maybe he could have delayed class at UPS to see what was going to happen with FedEx?


Delay class and give up 50-100 numbers when FedEx might say no, all in an effort to be ethical? Obviously you have never been furloughed (although highly unlikely at Brown) with a family to support.

By the way, someone who frequents this board passed up a class in Nov to protect our freedom. Guess what? He is still swimming in the pool. If you pass up a class here you better have a darn good reason and waiting for FDX is not looked upon as a good reason. Maybee he should have been unethical and lied about the reason for the delay in an effort to be ethical? Do you realize how ridiculous you reasoning has become?

You guys sound like you are young and idealistic. This issue is old news, it's no longer Braniff vs American etc. Just the names have changed.

Bottom line: if you care enough about someone to sponsor them, then respect the fact that they will do what is best for their family.

Rory and Av8trix, I'm sure your both fine pilots and I look forward to training you one day. However, the 5 or 12 that left us for FDX are doing us a huge favor in our negotiations.

 

[Flybwoy]

Some of you here on this board sure seem to pass judgment on folks without really knowing the persons circumstances! Who cares why this person left? It's obvious they felt their reason was good enough to walk out and have it reflect negatively on the person who recommended them. So maybe the went to Fed Ex. Who cares! More power to them. As for the person who did the recommending, I'm sure they will have a chat with this person. So lets stop the young adolescent chatter and talk about something more meaningful!!! Wouldn't you agree?

 

[Rory Bellows]

Some of you here on this board sure seem to pass judgment on folks without really knowing the persons circumstances!

I said in the beginning I don’t know this persons circumstances.

And I’ve already said my thoughts are simply opinion.

To each their own.

RB