UPS Hiring!!!?????

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Nothing happens till Atlanta gives the go-ahead. That said, there WAS a reason they didn't attend the past two years and there is likely a REASON they're attending this year.

UPS may not have been at Air Inc., but they were at Women in Aviation in full force. I asked why they were there, but weren't hiring. They said they were recruiting management pilots and were seeking resumes. Given the labor-management relations at UPS, it didn't sound like a very rewarding job (in the sense of helping others). Seemed to me that the positions were open for a reason. I don't know if they ever filled the management pilot positions, maybe they are still looking.

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Re: Re: I agree with BBDC8

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UPS may not have been at Air Inc., but they were at Women in Aviation in full force. I asked why they were there, but weren't hiring. They said they were recruiting management pilots and were seeking resumes. Given the labor-management relations at UPS, it didn't sound like a very rewarding job (in the sense of helping others). Seemed to me that the positions were open for a reason. I don't know if they ever filled the management pilot positions, maybe they are still looking.

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One thing about UPS regardless of whether they are hiring or not, they ALWAYS have a HUGE presence at both WIA and OBAP. In fact UPS displaces, pay protects and covers the expenses for crewmembers who are on the leadership councils of either organization. I'm not saying that UPS is being overly PC, but they would not displace me to attend the OCRAP convention!
 

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One thing about UPS regardless of whether they are hiring or not, they ALWAYS have a HUGE presence at both WIA and OBAP. In fact UPS displaces, pay protects and covers the expenses for crewmembers who are on the leadership councils of either organization.

Hmmm, an organization for women pilots, and one for black pilots. Could someone tell me the organization for white male pilots??

Oh, silly me!! There is none. That would be wrong and racist, and sexist:rolleyes:

Now if only I were a black female pilot I'd be put directly in the Captains seat on the 747:eek:
 

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Hmmm, an organization for women pilots, and one for black pilots. Could someone tell me the organization for white male pilots??

Oh, silly me!! There is none. That would be wrong and racist, and sexist:rolleyes:

Now if only I were a black female pilot I'd be put directly in the Captains seat on the 747:eek:

OCRAP is what you are looking for. Organization of Caucasian Republican Airline Pilots.
 

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It sounds like I would fit right in there.:D
 

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Hmmm, an organization for women pilots, and one for black pilots. Could someone tell me the organization for white male pilots??

Oh, silly me!! There is none. That would be wrong and racist, and sexist:rolleyes:


All white males (and everyone else for that matter) are more than welcome to attend the WIA or OBAP job fair. Neither organization excludes anyone, as that would be hypocritical. In fact, the smart guys DO go to these job fairs instead of the Air Inc. ones, as the lines are MUCH shorter. (Tip of the day, you will most definitely be noticed, and given time if you attend WIA or OBAP). Over the years I have attended all three conventions (including the pre-Air Inc. FAPA conventions). Yes, even the OBAP (Organization of Black Airline Pilots), though I can assure you I am most definitely white. I have felt welcome everywhere. No matter where, great people are there to help. In most cases, the recruiters are the same, no matter the convention.



Didn't mean to cause such a thread drift.

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Hmmm, an organization for women pilots, and one for black pilots. Could someone tell me the organization for white male pilots??

I asked one of my female pilot freiends that question once.

Her reply was "ALPA"
 

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how it is

If you're black and you want to start a company that markets predominantly to black youths...you can hire almost 100% black people as your employees...that is perfectly legit. It's great marketing. You're a genius. In fact you could call it FUBU and become a gazzilionaire.

If you're white...you better play fair.

That's how it is. Emotional baggage left over because of our country's deep-rooted racial issues that go back to pre-revolutionary war America.

As far as women...if they make up 50% of the population they should get preferential treatment until they make up 50% of the pilot force right?

That's logical and fair...the rest of you just move on back to the end of the line...your daddy's world was unfair to us so now we're gonna get you back.

This is a big problem in corporate America...dealing with gender/race and most of the CEO/CFO/COO melon-head crowd believes in the PC propaganda because they can't afford not to. Either "buy in" or paint a swastika on your forehead.
 
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Good advice skirt. I didn't know that men were allowed to the WIA and that whites were allowed to OBAP. I don't know if I'd go though, I hate to stand out in a crowd. I like to blend.

You know the NFL will fine a team a hefty sum if they don't bring in a black coach to interview. Take Dallas for instance. Every fool knew Jerry Jones wanted Parcells and he courted Parcells heavily. But If I'm correct, they were fined for not interviewing a black coach. They called a few, but the coaches knew Jones wasn't serious about anyone but Parcells so none came in to be interviewed. This I say is pure craziness!!

This is a UPS thread, sorry. So I will make a prediction...UPS hires 150 in 04, and I will be one of them!! Well maybe not the last part of that prediction:D
 

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You know the NFL will fine a team a hefty sum if they don't bring in a black coach to interview. Take Dallas for instance. Every fool knew Jerry Jones wanted Parcells and he courted Parcells heavily. But If I'm correct, they were fined for not interviewing a black coach. They called a few, but the coaches knew Jones wasn't serious about anyone but Parcells so none came in to be interviewed

Incorrect. The NFL decided that the Cowboys were in complience with the minority hiring practices by offering interviews to Dennis Green, among others. Even though they were phone interviews, and not face to face, they satisfied the letter of the law of the NFL.

Detroit, however, in hiring Steve Mariucci without interviewing any minority candidates whatsoever, was levied a hefty fine. Detroit's position was that they couldn't get any minority candidates to accept an interview because it was common knowledge that Mariucci was their man. This explanation did not fly with the NFL, so the fine was levied anyway.
 

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Incorrect. The NFL decided that the Cowboys were in complience with the minority hiring practices by offering interviews to Dennis Green, among others. Even though they were phone interviews, and not face to face, they satisfied the letter of the law of the NFL.

Detroit, however, in hiring Steve Mariucci without interviewing any minority candidates whatsoever, was levied a hefty fine. Detroit's position was that they couldn't get any minority candidates to accept an interview because it was common knowledge that Mariucci was their man. This explanation did not fly with the NFL, so the fine was levied anyway.

Thanks for the correction. I didn't know about the Detroit situation. But that shows what my point about this overly PC BS is all about. It is insane that a Company, in this case the Detroit Lions would be fined for not interviewing people they have no interest in hiring. They wanted Mariucci, and they got him.
 

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In the event that UPS does indeed start pulling from the pool and hiring this year, would it be after the upgrades from the most recent bid are completed or would it be done simultaneously? I'm just curious as to the state of the training department in the event that they do hire. Happy holidays to all out there and I hope this year is good to all of us in the industry.
 

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There would be no reason to wait for the upgrades to finish before training new hires. Since all new hires would be FE's there are instructors there for that purpose only. More than likely they would be trained at the same time as the front seaters since our simulators can accomodate it.

My guess is they won't start hiring (if they do at all this year) until the next vacancy bid is announced and even closed. I am hearing anywhere from January till March until we see it.

I keep hearing from Captains that we will see 80 growth a year for the next 5-7 years due to retirements so they have to hire since we are stretched pretty thin.
 

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UPS Pool?

How many folks are in UPS' pool? :eek:
 
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As of the end of interviewing, UPS had between 70-80 in the pool. A few may have been hired as management pilots (not sure) and maybe a few at other airlines, but I think most are still there...
 

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Have any of the poolies called HR lately? I haven't talked to them since Feb 03, when they informed me that the recruiting personnel were reassigned and that our files were in storage. She said then that the company would call if they needed an update (instead of me sending one every 6 months).
 

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I called a few weeks ago and was told that there was nothing going on. I was told however that they (HR) might likely be the last to know. Understandable considering that UPS does continue to maintain a conservative posture throughout everything that is going on. Best of luck to all out there and hopefully this year is a prosperous one for everyone in our industry.
 
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