UPS Hiring Issues?

[LeonPhelps]

So, what's the word around the water cooler in Louisville? Is that 727 fleet retirement coming to fruition? What would be the effect on hiring if(when) the Age 65 rule changes? The word at FedEx is that the hiring is going to slow down as a result...how about Brown?

Thanks!

(an aspiring Browner)

 

[PreContact]

I know one thing - something's wrong with the online application process right now. It's there one minute and gone the next. Rumor is they've outsourced part of the process. Also there's some sort of online psych eval now I've heard. Not sure though. 727s are going away by the end of 2007. Depends on whom you ask what thay means for hiring. We're still short of pilots. The age 65 rule won't take effect for at least 18 months they say, so we will still need to hire this year. ANC domicile is growing, and there are many unfilled MD-11 and 747-400 F/O vacancies up there.

 

[LeonPhelps]

Shoot man...I'll go to Alaska tomorrow! I'll bring my favorite box of mexican wine, my mittens and bring it on!! Thanks for the FACTS precontact...sounds like you are in the know, feel free to drop more info as you can.

 

[PreContact]

Good Luck

Start looking for a crash pad up in ANC now!

Seriously, check out this link http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/showthread.php?t=8976 for more info before you fill out a flight officer job app.

 

[Aviator7576]

anc

Leon....

Do they sell courvoisier in ANC???...From your avatar, it seems that is a requirement besides your mittens...lol

Good luck...

Aviator7576

 

[LeonPhelps]

Aviator 7576,

Yeam um...courvossier is the drink, but I have also been known to induldge, from time to time, in some of the finest boxes of Mexican wine...I would welcome the opportunity to "chill" in Anchorage, while finding out what I can do for Brown.

 

[TrouserTrout]

Aviator 7576,

Yeam um...courvossier is the drink, but I have also been known to induldge, from time to time, in some of the finest boxes of Mexican wine...I would welcome the opportunity to "chill" in Anchorage, while finding out what I can do for Brown.

Leon,
Where are you at now? "Chillin" somewhere, or burning up "120 on, 120 off"?

I'm chillin' in ANC now, and plan on staying. Hopefully will trade in the green suit for a brown one!

 

[Don Q]

The only Mexican wine I know is made out Blue Agave, it's called Tequila...

One Tequila,
Two Tequila,
Three Tequilla,
FLOOR!

I don't get it... :nuts:

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

We have never really been short pilots. The way we use pilots is not efficient, but that is not the point. More importantly we are critically short of airplanes. Because of the way UPS staffs more airplanes means a lot more pilots. That's also why I don't see the age 65 thing being that big of a driver.

 

[V-STALL]

We have never really been short pilots. The way we use pilots is not efficient, but that is not the point. More importantly we are critically short of airplanes. Because of the way UPS staffs more airplanes means a lot more pilots. That's also why I don't see the age 65 thing being that big of a driver.

UPS was short over 200 f/o slots on the last bid. Not sure what you are talking about in regards to not being short? I will agree with your statement about not using pilots efficiently. Don't know if they will ever get that one right. More airplanes to come- I agree with that one too. What it comes down to- UPS is short Period!

"Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak"

 

[capt. megadeth]

I will agree with your statement about not using pilots efficiently.

Let's not let them in on that one

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

UPS was short over 200 f/o slots on the last bid. Not sure what you are talking about in regards to not being short? I will agree with your statement about not using pilots efficiently. Don't know if they will ever get that one right. More airplanes to come- I agree with that one too. What it comes down to- UPS is short Period!

"Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak"

I flew with a mid-level captain recently who has flown 1600 hours in the last 15 years. We could do the entire operation with less pilots if UPS did not require so many on reserve. More airplanes mean more pilots anyway you slice it though.

 

[airwillydrvr]

Just had my second JA call this week both were multiple trips available. WE ARE SHORT.

 

[manfred33]

Online app problems

Hey guys,

I noticed too that the online application is maybe a bit messed up? I had applied back in November already and it really wasn't more than a sort of filtering process; i.e., a short questionaire about whether or not you even meet the requirements to apply. After filling it out, never heard anything back. Have a friend giving me a recommendation and he is puzzled too. Talked to him yesterday, and he mentioned keeping my time up to date with brown, but I never even was given an application to fill out any flight time.... And now the link to Flight officer on the careers page is gone. Any ideas? Thanks.

 

[manfred33]

Just had my second JA call this week both were multiple trips available. WE ARE SHORT.

So, I can stay in my current regional job and get called every week for a JA or I can try to get on with Brown and get JA calls every week? Fabulous!! Sounds like the industry standard...

 

[airwillydrvr]

So, I can stay in my current regional job and get called every week for a JA or I can try to get on with Brown and get JA calls every week? Fabulous!! Sounds like the industry standard...

at least we can say "not available" without repercussions, and I will take brown FO JA pay over regional Cpt JA pay any day of the week. My point is, in spite of what you all hear, we need bodies we are short staffed. Good luck to all.

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

So, I can stay in my current regional job and get called every week for a JA or I can try to get on with Brown and get JA calls every week? Fabulous!! Sounds like the industry standard...

Not sure if you know what UPS JA is? Basically on a day off scheduling will call and offer you a trip at 150% your hourly rate. You can either take it or decline it. Guys have adopted the term "not available" but "no" works just as well. You are under no obligation whatsoever to accept a JA regardless if you are available.

 

[Big Beer Belly]

Guys have adopted the term "not available" but "no" works just as well. You are under no obligation whatsoever to accept a JA regardless if you are available.

A big CAUTION flag Jerry. The term "not available" has a long grievance/discipline/labor history here and is specifically utilized when not taking a JA. If the company calls with a JA and you ARE available... you are contractually obligated to operate it. Call the IPA if you disagree. (Just a heads up.)

BBB

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

A big CAUTION flag Jerry. The term "not available" has a long grievance/discipline/labor history here and is specifically utilized when not taking a JA. If the company calls with a JA and you ARE available... you are contractually obligated to operate it. Call the IPA if you disagree. (Just a heads up.)

BBB

Duly noted. But the point remains that you do not have to work on a scheduled day off. Hopefully noone is dumb enough to say "I am available as per the contract, but choose not to accept this JA."

 

[Big Beer Belly]

Duly noted. But the point remains that you do not have to work on a scheduled day off.

LOL! I've worked involuntarily on quite a few "scheduled days off" (training). Unfortunately, you have to "fly it and grieve it"... but they win nevertheless.

BBB

 

[manfred33]

JAs............

at least we can say "not available" without repercussions, and I will take brown FO JA pay over regional Cpt JA pay any day of the week. My point is, in spite of what you all hear, we need bodies we are short staffed. Good luck to all.

Well, we get to refuse a JA once, I believe and if they call you again, you essentially have to take it. I have my cell phone set up so that when they call, they automatically get my voicemail and the phone never rings. No chance of me answering by mistake and if they can't get a hold of you, one-on-one, then there is no problem.

I also agree that a FO JA at UPS is definitely much better than a CA JA at some crappy regional, such as I am priveleged to work for. My point was more to the effect of not being able to escape that aspect of the regionals that rely on JAs by going to, what I imagine, is a pretty decent company like UPS that would not resort to those sorts of tactics. I'm sure they don't rely on the JA to get trips covered, but maybe they do....

I also gather that a JA from UPS is much different than a JA at a regional. Do you have to answer the phone? Or can you just ignore as I do now?

Also was wondering if there was any comment in regards to the post I made just prior to the JA one, about the online ap site.....

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

You do not have to answer your phone unless you are on reserve at UPS.

The current application fiasco makes me ashamed of my employer. Keep checking the site and do what you can to apply.

 

[manfred33]

You do not have to answer your phone unless you are on reserve at UPS.

That's what I figured. I would have been shocked at any other answer....

The current application fiasco makes me ashamed of my employer. Keep checking the site and do what you can to apply.

I will do that. Thanks for the info!

 

[Airbum]

That's what I figured. I would have been shocked at any other answer....



Manfred, be prepared to be shocked when the fresh faced new hire mgt captain comes a knocking on your hotel door with the pass key. you may not have to answer the phone but would like to hear your reason for not being available on a layover.

and ..... yes this has happened more then once.

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

That's what I figured. I would have been shocked at any other answer....



Manfred, be prepared to be shocked when the fresh faced new hire mgt captain comes a knocking on your hotel door with the pass key. you may not have to answer the phone but would like to hear your reason for not being available on a layover.

and ..... yes this has happened more then once.

...and what were the consequences? (for management that is)

 

[manfred33]

...and what were the consequences? (for management that is)

Exactly! Does your contract stipulate that you have to be available on a layover?? Meaning that you have to take calls even if you are in rest? I understand having to be contactable, as in , someone can leave me a message and when I get it, I have been contacted.

 

[Airbum]

Exactly! Does your contract stipulate that you have to be available on a layover?? Meaning that you have to take calls even if you are in rest? I understand having to be contactable, as in , someone can leave me a message and when I get it, I have been contacted.

no the contract does not state you have to be available on a layover. perhaps i missread the above posts. However once contacted... ie the mgt pilot at your door, consider yourself contacted. These events happened while the company was trying to reschedule crewmembers that where in contractual rest at a layover hotel. These where not JA issues on scheduled days off.



There have been no consequences for mgt with this issue that I am aware of.

sorry if i mixed things up .... long trip

 

[BoilerUP]

Just had my second JA call this week both were multiple trips available. WE ARE SHORT.

Keeping the Bus pilots busy, eh?

 

[manfred33]

no the contract does not state you have to be available on a layover. perhaps i missread the above posts. However once contacted... ie the mgt pilot at your door, consider yourself contacted. These events happened while the company was trying to reschedule crewmembers that where in contractual rest at a layover hotel. These where not JA issues on scheduled days off.



There have been no consequences for mgt with this issue that I am aware of.

sorry if i mixed things up .... long trip

Not a problem. I could see my company having something like that in our contract, or even worse, come up with some special policy that would require us to be available as they are so fond of doing. I don't know though, if one of our mgmt pilots happened to come to your hotel room, and you answered the door, if that would be considered to have been contacted....

 

[GogglesPisano]

Why on earth would you open the door?