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UPS Guys! How Do I Get Called

Old School 737

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Lookinng for any help on how to get on at UPS. I know that they have been very big on internal refrences but unfortunatly I have none. I filled out the online resume form but I was wondering if there is anything else or another application to fill out that the uninformed might not know about. As you can see from my profile I am not a light time guy. I have good experience and would welcome any help that you old school guys, new hire, or just called for an interview guys might have to offer. Thanks in advance.
Also if anybody knows Mike Oconner at UPS I would like to get a hold of him. He and I worked together for a very short time and I lost track of him.
 
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410dude

If you don't know anyone at UPS, you are SOL. Also your flight time isn't all that high for a newhire there.
 

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Do you know anyone in management there that is not a pilot? That might work. I don't think your time is necessarily low for a new person there. IMHO, with your time, it's basically to the point of "who you know", know what I mean?
Good Luck!

Big Brown DC8, Networ-King, Clyde....any input?

By the way, what ever happened to Freight Nazi?
 
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Okaythen

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but during my interview at UPS, one of the interviewers confirmed that virtually no one gets an interview without having an internal recommendation.

As you would expect, having a referral from someone you've flown with is probably best, but any referral is better than none. Also, non-pilot UPS employees can make internal recommendations, but I'm not sure how much weight they have.

Best of luck in the process!
 

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Okaythen said:
As you would expect, having a referral from someone you've flown with is probably best, but any referral is better than none. Also, non-pilot UPS employees can make internal recommendations, but I'm not sure how much weight they have.

See, I always heard management (any management) was better than a line pilot rec. but who knows? Everyone I know hired had AT LEAST one rec.
 

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Letters of rec.

See, I always heard management (any management) was better than a line pilot rec. but who knows? Everyone I know hired had AT LEAST one rec.

I agree with this. I believe that a management rec. is probably the best you could get, then a pilot, then someone else. I also agree that if you don't have a letter of rec at all, you unfortunately don't have a chance. I was told by HR as well that everyone interviewed has at least one letter.
 

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If someone from Atlanta calls Louisville for you, then you WILL get an interview right away. If a line guy writes a recommendation for you, you'll be waiting a while. Remember this is a trucking company that owns an airline.
 
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i have a friend that has 5 letters (one of which is mngt.) and lots of time and can't get the call. at this point, i'm not sure what is required to get the call. still believe you need at least one letter.

fbt
 

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flybrowntails said:
i have a friend that has 5 letters (one of which is mngt.) and lots of time and can't get the call. at this point, i'm not sure what is required to get the call. still believe you need at least one letter.

fbt

It's quite possible that YOU have too many exception reports in your file. I've been told by PM in HR that if recommendor has too many exception reports in their file that the company will disregard a recommendation from that person. HR said the reasoning behind that is that if the employee is "troublesome" they don't want a troublesome employee's friend to work here too.
 

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freightnazi:

that is a good point. 3-4 of his letters are from new-hires. i wouldn't think they would have anything in their file????? (and they are still asking for more of that delicious brown flavored Tang drink--you know its the drink of cargo pilots)

fbt
 

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Know the feeling!

I have several internal recs as well, one from a captain, and several from new hires (still on probation). I'm working with a manager as well, but it's difficult to know where you stand with HR. From what I've heard, it seems like the best route is a rec from a ground manager. Does anyone know where UPS stands in pilot hiring for the current year? Good luck to all!
 

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Brown Cow said:
If someone from Atlanta calls Louisville for you, then you WILL get an interview right away. If a line guy writes a recommendation for you, you'll be waiting a while. Remember this is a trucking company that owns an airline.

I think Brown Cow is right. My buddy called for me from ATL (non pilot) and after I put my stuff online I got a call about 3 days later. All the info I hear is that mgt. recs. are the best. Based on the interview I think they want a reference that really knows you and can attest to character, integrity, etc.:)

The other question... I am curious too. How many have been hired this year? I would guess about 180-200 so far...?
 

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Thanks to all for the good info. I do have a friend who is a station manager and he is in the process of filling out a referal form for me. From some of your replys it seems that it might be as good as having pilot references which I don't have any. Hard to believe but hey you never know. Once again thanks again to all. Old School 737
 

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The LOR issue has been covered many time b4 on Flightinfo. Here goes again:

Any Management type LOR, Flying or non-flying is the best here...

Pilot that you have flown with...

Pilot that you have not flown with...

If your real hungry, do Like I did and go see an ACP (Assistant Chief Pilot) at one of our outstations, Invite him to lunch and see how things go. Sure, it takes big balls/overies, but it can pay off... I did it, the guy liked me and I didnt even have to ask him for a LOR, he offered. Hired 3 weeks later... I did have 3 LORs from 3 different Capts here, but never got the call... After the ACP wrote me a LOR, We'll, here I am... Choose your own destiny and make it happen, Its up to you... Good luck...

BBDC8
 

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410dude said:
If you don't know anyone at UPS, you are SOL. Also your flight time isn't all that high for a newhire there.
What kind of time is "competitive"?

Do they care if its jet time or turbo-prop?
 

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Still waiting...

6500 total
1700 pic turbine (turbo prop)
Line Check Airman
Attended Air Inc to see UPS recruiters in January
4 letters of rec
- 1 from a good friend (5 yr FO never flown with)
- 1 from a former colleague (he was my captain for a month 5 yr FO at UPS)
- 2 from networking (1 UPS CA & 1 5yr FO)
I jumpseat with my good friend into SDF during a sort and met 2 ACPs to network

Still no call. Wish I could figure out what else I need to to secure an interview. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
 

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Bobby Orr 4 said:
6500 total
1700 pic turbine (turbo prop)
Line Check Airman
Attended Air Inc to see UPS recruiters in January
4 letters of rec
- 1 from a good friend (5 yr FO never flown with)
- 1 from a former colleague (he was my captain for a month 5 yr FO at UPS)
- 2 from networking (1 UPS CA & 1 5yr FO)
I jumpseat with my good friend into SDF during a sort and met 2 ACPs to network

Still no call. Wish I could figure out what else I need to to secure an interview. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

This may not mean anything but do you have any jet time?
I heard that UPS really likes people to have jet time. Everyone in my class had jet time. Personally, I think TP time is just as valuable but it's just a guess. That is the only thing I didn't see above, but I am a newbie so what do I know?
 
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