ups/fedex

[pw4000]

Any ups or fedex pilots mind answering some questions about hiring for aircraft mechanics. thanks

 

[needapayraise]

Go ahead. BTW, UPS mechanics are the highest paid in the industry, unlike the UPS pilots.

 

[av8er23]

Go ahead. BTW, UPS mechanics are the highest paid in the industry, unlike the UPS pilots.

Define underpaid please.

 

[needapayraise]

Define underpaid please.

Well lets just say that as a fifth year F/O, If I don't get at LEAST a 40% pay raise then I will be voting NO on any contract T/A regardless of the other language in it.

 

[av8er23]

The payscale that I am looking at says a 5th year F/O makes $106,008
Is this incorrect?

 

[needapayraise]

The payscale that I am looking at says a 5th year F/O makes $106,008
Is this incorrect?

Yes it is.

 

[needapayraise]

It's only about $94575.

 

[av8er23]

Wow!
I really feel sorry for you. I bet you have a hard time only making $94,575

 

[needapayraise]

When you finally grow up and raise a family and plan on college for them, you will find out that $94,000 really isn't a whole lot of money. And to save you the time in asking, we don't live an extravagant lifestyle or have a bunch of debt, the only thing we owe on is the mortgage.

 

[135fr8r]

Making $94,575, and you only owe on a mortgage? My God, you are in financial distress. Bless your little fu***** heart. Guess you had better tell those rugrats to study their asses off so they can recieve scholarships, or better yet, let em pay for it on their own like many of us did.

 

[81Horse]

Bless your little fu***** heart.

Why do people who don't get paid enough for what they do take vicious pleasure in knowing other people also don't get paid enough?

fr8r, do you think a pilot for a major cargo carrier should be unable to support children and a stay-at-home spouse? Own a nice home? Drive late-model cars? Send his/her children to college? Enjoy a comfortable retirement? In short, have a nice slice of the American dream?

If this is what you think, then you must be very happy about the industry-wide ratchet-down in the airline business -- pretty soon, we'll all be as miserable as you seem.

 

[av8er23]

Why do people who don't get paid enough for what they do take vicious pleasure in knowing other people also don't get paid enough?

fr8r, do you think a pilot for a major cargo carrier should be unable to support children and a stay-at-home spouse? Own a nice home? Drive late-model cars? Send his/her children to college? Enjoy a comfortable retirement? In short, have a nice slice of the American dream?

If this is what you think, then you must be very happy about the industry-wide ratchet-down in the airline business -- pretty soon, we'll all be as miserable as you seem.

Dude, the guy is a five year F/O and makes just under 100,000. I think he has issues with money managment. Does he think he is going to get pay cuts soon? His pay will continue to go up and top 200,000 one day. Or hopefully he will get so fed up, quit and let me take his place. I will be very thankfull if i were working with one of the top three majors in the industry.

 

[135fr8r]

If this is what you think, then you must be very happy about the industry-wide ratchet-down in the airline business -- pretty soon, we'll all be as miserable as you seem.

I'm far from miserable....lol. I have a 4 minute drive to work, and am home most evenings/nights which means my kids actually have a "daddy". I drive a late model truck, I'm still paying for school, have all the bills most have plus some, and I don't make 94K per year. I fly newer equipment than he does, fly for a Fortune 300 Corporation, and average 600 hrs per year which is considered very high for part 91. Am I bitter? Not at all. I know things could be much better paywise, but I'm happy as Hell to have a job right now. This guy is a 5 year F/O for God's sake, and you want me to feel sorry for him? I think not!!! Maybe the two of you should get together and make out, and maybe just hold one another for a little while as you reassure one another things will be ok. Is this guy going to be pitching a fit when he's making over 200K as a Captain someday? He knew what he was getting into when he took the job for $27.00 per hour for first year pay.

 

[needapayraise]

Dude, the guy is a five year F/O and makes just under 100,000. I think he has issues with money managment. Does he think he is going to get pay cuts soon? His pay will continue to go up and top 200,000 one day. Or hopefully he will get so fed up, quit and let me take his place. I will be very thankfull if i were working with one of the top three majors in the industry.

You are typical of the new crop of pilots. You would just be tickled pink to take my job at it's current pay and be TOTALLY satisfied to never make a penny more. What is it with people that love to drag others down to their level. Don't you aspire to have a true "career" at an airline making the "big bucks" like you fantasized about when you first started flying lessons? With an attitude like you have you will never get attain a career like you dreamed of.

 

[135fr8r]

You would just be tickled pink to take my job at it's current pay and be TOTALLY satisfied to never make a penny more.

Why would I want your job? So I can wear that crappy brown uniform that makes you look like a bellman at the Hilton? If you are that ignorant to not know the solution to your problem, maybe I can help.

FU***ING QUIT AND GO TO MED SCHOOL

 

[av8er23]

HaHa

I would be totally satisfied knowing I work for a pretty secure company and my pay is going to do nothing but go up. needapayraise you were probably part of the same Delta group that went on strike several years ago because they were capping pay at 300,000. The last Air Inc. survey shows that the smallest 10th year capt. at UPS makes a little over 200,000

In that case I think you need to change your screen to "the unappreciative brown bus driver"

 

[PCL_128]

You guys that disparage UPS and FedEx pilots for trying to make large gains in their contracts just amaze me. Do you realize that UPS just paid for Overnight (a trucking company) for $1 billion dollars in CASH!!! UPS makes billions of dollars a year in profit. That's not revenue, it's pure profit.

Why should the UPS pilots not fight like mad to get a big portion of that? The air division of UPS makes up roughly one half of the total revenue of the company, despite the fact that it's rather small compared to the trucking side. Why should the UPS pilots not be compensated for that? UPS could afford to pay the pilots 400% raises, so I think if he asks for a 40% raise, then that's pretty reasonable. Stop trying to push these guys down. At least someone is out there trying to raise the bar as everyone else is taking cuts.

 

[pilot141]

HaHa

I would be totally satisfied knowing I work for a pretty secure company and my pay is going to do nothing but go up. needapayraise you were probably part of the same Delta group that went on strike several years ago because they were capping pay at 300,000. The last Air Inc. survey shows that the smallest 10th year capt. at UPS makes a little over 200,000

In that case I think you need to change your screen to "the unappreciative brown bus driver"

Hey genius,

Care to tell me WHY you know that his pay is going to do "nothing but go up."?

And this:

Dude, the guy is a five year F/O and makes just under 100,000. I think he has issues with money management.

Shows that you are not only a complete Ass but also one who likes to assume things about other peoples' lives.

Should we all post our income and expenses to get your approval? Or should 40-year old guys with several kids be forced to live on your pathetic single-man regimen, eating Top-Ramen and darning our own socks when they wear out?

You might not know it, but some people enjoy driving something OTHER than AMC Pacers into the employee lot. These are also the people that get LAID occassionally.

In case you haven't figured it out, ENVY is not a good color.

Let it go.

 

[av8er23]

Pay usually increases year to year. This goes with most companies but UPS could be an exception.

I am assuming nothing. He openly shared his facts: income (94,000) and expenses (a morgage payment). He must have one hell of morgage payment. Some of you guys get so up tight. I am totally for pilots getting good pay. I think that the guy should make more than what he is making as he puts in more time with the company. I simply think that it is lots more unfair for the regionals to pay a five year guy 30k than it is for ups to pay a five year guy what he makes and for him to complain about it.

 

[pilot141]

I am totally for pilots getting good pay. I think that the guy should make more than what he is making as he puts in more time with the company. I simply think that it is lots more unfair for the regionals to pay a five year guy 30k than it is for ups to pay a five year guy what he makes and for him to complain about it.

What is unfair about this?

And what does your "perceived" complaining have to do with it?

Should the pay be based on the bottom guy (a sweaty check-hauler who is so busy that he can't post here)......or the top guy (a FDX MD-11 Captain making over $200/hour).

Sorry, but I'm getting tired and can't post right now. I'll rejoin this discussion when I can!

Rich

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

Pay usually increases year to year. This goes with most companies but UPS could be an exception.

I am assuming nothing. He openly shared his facts: income (94,000) and expenses (a morgage payment). He must have one hell of morgage payment. Some of you guys get so up tight. I am totally for pilots getting good pay. I think that the guy should make more than what he is making as he puts in more time with the company. I simply think that it is lots more unfair for the regionals to pay a five year guy 30k than it is for ups to pay a five year guy what he makes and for him to complain about it.

Wow!!!! I am amazed by this argument. Those arguing against UPS getting the much deserved pay raise are also probably the ones who think pilots don't need college degrees. Do you idiots realize that the typical 35 year old USAF pilot makes more than a 5 year FO flying a 747 at UPS? 95k is a ridiculous amount for being an FO at UPS. You should move to Cuba because you'r spouting off communistic garbage!

 

[capt. megadeth]

Dude, the guy is a five year F/O and makes just under 100,000. I think he has issues with money managment. Does he think he is going to get pay cuts soon? His pay will continue to go up and top 200,000 one day. Or hopefully he will get so fed up, quit and let me take his place. I will be very thankfull if i were working with one of the top three majors in the industry.

Bite me......I am in pretty much the same financial situation needapayraise is and trust me.....$94K and change is not all that. If you are trying to save for retirement (which you have to these days....you sure as hell can't depend on Social Security and an A plan) and you live in friggin New York, Chicago or California, you better make more than that to live comfortably. I would hardly say I have money management issues (in addition, I have the cheapest fiancee in the world) and I doubt needapayraise does either.

 

[capt. megadeth]

You are typical of the new crop of pilots. You would just be tickled pink to take my job at it's current pay and be TOTALLY satisfied to never make a penny more. What is it with people that love to drag others down to their level. Don't you aspire to have a true "career" at an airline making the "big bucks" like you fantasized about when you first started flying lessons? With an attitude like you have you will never get attain a career like you dreamed of.

No $hit. I have been flying for half of my life now and am making $26K this year. Am I happy to have a job at UPS? Hell yeah! Does it mean I should ask them to keep my pay at 26K next year....I think not! There comes a point where you should be rewarded for all of the sacrifices made for this career.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Why would I want your job? So I can wear that crappy brown uniform that makes you look like a bellman at the Hilton? If you are that ignorant to not know the solution to your problem, maybe I can help.

FU***ING QUIT AND GO TO MED SCHOOL

Ha ha.....I'd rather wear brown than ki$$ some CEOs a$$ all day flying corporate. Talk about hell on earth! Is your face brown after a flight from sticking your head up their a$$ at the end of your work day? You don't make $94K a year but you enjoy flying someone around who is probably making 500 times more than you?
You'd HAVE to pay me $1 million a year just to be able to be in the same room with these overpaid schmucks for 5 minutes.

 

[pilot141]

I am assuming nothing. He openly shared his facts: income (94,000) and expenses (a morgage payment). He must have one hell of morgage payment.

Wow, thank God we have You, King of All airline Finances to Tell US how much we should budget for a mortgage.

Sorry to burst your pathetic bubble, but people can earn a solid $100K in So Cal and not be able to afford much.

What exactly was your point again, (other than you know nothing - that has already been established).

 

[BoilerUP]

My question is this:

Do you want a 40% payraise, and 3.5% A plan, plus want to keep the 11% B plan?

 

[needapayraise]

HaHa

I would be totally satisfied knowing I work for a pretty secure company and my pay is going to do nothing but go up. needapayraise you were probably part of the same Delta group that went on strike several years ago because they were capping pay at 300,000. The last Air Inc. survey shows that the smallest 10th year capt. at UPS makes a little over 200,000

In that case I think you need to change your screen to "the unappreciative brown bus driver"

Just to show you want a gullible amateur you are for believing all the crap of "Air Inc" ALL UPS captains make the same amount of money. $190/hr x 75hrs x13 pay pds/yr = 185250. Not anywhere close to "a little over $200000". It's disturbing that you and it seems, most of the new generation of pilots, are setting you goals so low. You seem made to order to fly a new, shiny RJ around for the rest of your career knowing that you are making the "big bucks". I hope that UPS never hires you or anyone like you that is willing to settle for so little.

 

[needapayraise]

My question is this:

Do you want a 40% payraise, and 3.5% A plan, plus want to keep the 11% B plan?

Sure I'd like to but it's not gonna happen. I'll take the 40%+ payraise with modest boots to the A plan (which will be put in the same plan as the managers, so it'll be as safe as one can be) plus a 12% B plan on TOTAL W2 earnings.

 

[needapayraise]

Just wanted to thank everyone on this thread for supporting a pilot group that's actually going to "raise the bar". I expected the jabs from the newbies and those with paycheck envy. It seems as though many pilots have just given up and decided that they are never going to do anything more than fly an RJ for a commuter for the rest of their career and therefore can't stand to see anyone truly succeed with their own career. As much as I can't stand UPS, I thank god every day that UPS is NOT an airline and has the means to pay us well and I also thank god for the unity of the IPA that will make those 40% pay raises, and other increases that some pilots can't stand, possible.

 

[dojetdriver]

Any ups or fedex pilots mind answering some questions about hiring for aircraft mechanics. thanks

I hope this answered any questions you had about mechanics pw4000.