ups/fedex

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

Pay usually increases year to year. This goes with most companies but UPS could be an exception.

I am assuming nothing. He openly shared his facts: income (94,000) and expenses (a morgage payment). He must have one hell of morgage payment. Some of you guys get so up tight. I am totally for pilots getting good pay. I think that the guy should make more than what he is making as he puts in more time with the company. I simply think that it is lots more unfair for the regionals to pay a five year guy 30k than it is for ups to pay a five year guy what he makes and for him to complain about it.

Wow!!!! I am amazed by this argument. Those arguing against UPS getting the much deserved pay raise are also probably the ones who think pilots don't need college degrees. Do you idiots realize that the typical 35 year old USAF pilot makes more than a 5 year FO flying a 747 at UPS? 95k is a ridiculous amount for being an FO at UPS. You should move to Cuba because you'r spouting off communistic garbage!

 

[capt. megadeth]

Dude, the guy is a five year F/O and makes just under 100,000. I think he has issues with money managment. Does he think he is going to get pay cuts soon? His pay will continue to go up and top 200,000 one day. Or hopefully he will get so fed up, quit and let me take his place. I will be very thankfull if i were working with one of the top three majors in the industry.

Bite me......I am in pretty much the same financial situation needapayraise is and trust me.....$94K and change is not all that. If you are trying to save for retirement (which you have to these days....you sure as hell can't depend on Social Security and an A plan) and you live in friggin New York, Chicago or California, you better make more than that to live comfortably. I would hardly say I have money management issues (in addition, I have the cheapest fiancee in the world) and I doubt needapayraise does either.

 

[capt. megadeth]

You are typical of the new crop of pilots. You would just be tickled pink to take my job at it's current pay and be TOTALLY satisfied to never make a penny more. What is it with people that love to drag others down to their level. Don't you aspire to have a true "career" at an airline making the "big bucks" like you fantasized about when you first started flying lessons? With an attitude like you have you will never get attain a career like you dreamed of.

No $hit. I have been flying for half of my life now and am making $26K this year. Am I happy to have a job at UPS? Hell yeah! Does it mean I should ask them to keep my pay at 26K next year....I think not! There comes a point where you should be rewarded for all of the sacrifices made for this career.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Why would I want your job? So I can wear that crappy brown uniform that makes you look like a bellman at the Hilton? If you are that ignorant to not know the solution to your problem, maybe I can help.

FU***ING QUIT AND GO TO MED SCHOOL

Ha ha.....I'd rather wear brown than ki$$ some CEOs a$$ all day flying corporate. Talk about hell on earth! Is your face brown after a flight from sticking your head up their a$$ at the end of your work day? You don't make $94K a year but you enjoy flying someone around who is probably making 500 times more than you?
You'd HAVE to pay me $1 million a year just to be able to be in the same room with these overpaid schmucks for 5 minutes.

 

[pilot141]

I am assuming nothing. He openly shared his facts: income (94,000) and expenses (a morgage payment). He must have one hell of morgage payment.

Wow, thank God we have You, King of All airline Finances to Tell US how much we should budget for a mortgage.

Sorry to burst your pathetic bubble, but people can earn a solid $100K in So Cal and not be able to afford much.

What exactly was your point again, (other than you know nothing - that has already been established).

 

[BoilerUP]

My question is this:

Do you want a 40% payraise, and 3.5% A plan, plus want to keep the 11% B plan?

 

[needapayraise]

HaHa

I would be totally satisfied knowing I work for a pretty secure company and my pay is going to do nothing but go up. needapayraise you were probably part of the same Delta group that went on strike several years ago because they were capping pay at 300,000. The last Air Inc. survey shows that the smallest 10th year capt. at UPS makes a little over 200,000

In that case I think you need to change your screen to "the unappreciative brown bus driver"

Just to show you want a gullible amateur you are for believing all the crap of "Air Inc" ALL UPS captains make the same amount of money. $190/hr x 75hrs x13 pay pds/yr = 185250. Not anywhere close to "a little over $200000". It's disturbing that you and it seems, most of the new generation of pilots, are setting you goals so low. You seem made to order to fly a new, shiny RJ around for the rest of your career knowing that you are making the "big bucks". I hope that UPS never hires you or anyone like you that is willing to settle for so little.

 

[needapayraise]

My question is this:

Do you want a 40% payraise, and 3.5% A plan, plus want to keep the 11% B plan?

Sure I'd like to but it's not gonna happen. I'll take the 40%+ payraise with modest boots to the A plan (which will be put in the same plan as the managers, so it'll be as safe as one can be) plus a 12% B plan on TOTAL W2 earnings.

 

[needapayraise]

Just wanted to thank everyone on this thread for supporting a pilot group that's actually going to "raise the bar". I expected the jabs from the newbies and those with paycheck envy. It seems as though many pilots have just given up and decided that they are never going to do anything more than fly an RJ for a commuter for the rest of their career and therefore can't stand to see anyone truly succeed with their own career. As much as I can't stand UPS, I thank god every day that UPS is NOT an airline and has the means to pay us well and I also thank god for the unity of the IPA that will make those 40% pay raises, and other increases that some pilots can't stand, possible.

 

[dojetdriver]

Any ups or fedex pilots mind answering some questions about hiring for aircraft mechanics. thanks

I hope this answered any questions you had about mechanics pw4000.

 

[capt. megadeth]

I thank god every day that UPS is NOT an airline and has the means to pay us well and I also thank god for the unity of the IPA that will make those 40% pay raises, and other increases that some pilots can't stand, possible.

Amen to that!

 

[Boris Badenov]

As one of the sweaty check haulers darning his socks (albeit having enough time to post here), just let me say thanks for raising the bar and go get em! To borrow a tired but accurate old aphorism "You don't get paid what you deserve, you get paid what you negotiate." I, for one, am not going to waste my time explaining to anyone that I don't want to get rich, just comfortable. Think what you like, I want a raise, and what's good for the guys in brown will eventually be good for me too (and you, it turns out).

Regards,
Boris

PS. Anyone know anything about the mechanics? It's pretty embarrassing when all we can do is pursefight in totally unrelated threads.

 

[needapayraise]

According to the UPSjobs website, UPS is not currently recruiting mechanics. BTW Boris, My first job was flying cancelled checks, so hang in there and good things will happen!

 

[Deuce130]

I simply think that it is lots more unfair for the regionals to pay a five year guy 30k than it is for ups to pay a five year guy what he makes and for him to complain about it.

Then Fu#*ing quit and go to med school. If you don't like working for 30K a year, then don't do it. Or negotiate a better contract. But, I'm sure you can't b/c there's a ton of other dudes ready, willing, and able to take your job for even less than what you're willing to work for.

 

[JohnnyCash]

its not 30/year its 26/year.

"Or negotiate a better contract. But, I'm sure you can't..."

what makes you so sure?

johnny

 

[rattler]

Then Fu#*ing quit and go to med school. If you don't like working for 30K a year, then don't do it. Or negotiate a better contract. But, I'm sure you can't b/c there's a ton of other dudes ready, willing, and able to take your job for even less than what you're willing to work for.

Sorry, I can't stand that "f'n quit then" mentality. I hear that so much, how about grow a pair and stand up and fight for something you believe in. You are a fool for not supporting any company that is trying to raise the bar for ALL of us. I hope the UPS guys get every penny they deserve.

Most regionals by the way pay much more than $30K/yr after 5 years. I am a 5th year guy and I clear a little better than $70K/yr. Which by the way sucks. I know high school drop outs that make much more than I do.

 

[Clyde]

Dude, the guy is a five year F/O and makes just under 100,000. I think he has issues with money managment. Does he think he is going to get pay cuts soon? His pay will continue to go up and top 200,000 one day. Or hopefully he will get so fed up, quit and let me take his place. I will be very thankfull if i were working with one of the top three majors in the industry.

First and foremost, I too am a 5th year f/o, and my YTD earnings with international override is around $104,000.00

Good money? You bet, I am not going to say it is poverty wages. Would I be happy with more money? Absolutely, who is going to turn down more compensation, especially when your employer has the ability to pay you more.

av8er23,

Not unlike anyone else, I paid my dues. I'm not going to write an autobiography, but I carried school loans for almost 10 years before paying them off (finally) and what I make in 1 year is roughly equivalent to what I made in the 5 years between college and date of hire.

As I have said in the past, you don't make what you are worth, but you make what you can negotiate for. $100K is a lot of money compared to $40K I made as a DA-20 captain, but overall it isn't hitting the jackpot. After taxes, you are lucky to keep $70K of it. Factor in cost of living expenses, and that does not equate to whole lot of money. Maybe it did in 1984, but not in today's dollars. And before you ask, I will tell you that I too live below my means, carry a mortgage, and pay cash for everything else, so I am not your "typical" ferrari-driving yacht-sailing guys.

I made the decision to come here, so I am not going to give you a bleeding-heart story of how hard the night-freight scene is, how multiple time-zone changes around the world affect you, or what a 14-day trip is like. I will say this much: I like what I do, but I would not do it for any less than what I am currently doing it for now. We are profitable, the company is willing to give us a raise, and we are setting our goals and expectations higher, not lower.

If you think we make too much money right now, then stay away. I wouldn't want you to be unhappy, and I definitely would not want you negotiating on my behalf.

 

[Clyde]

Why would I want your job? So I can wear that crappy brown uniform that makes you look like a bellman at the Hilton? If you are that ignorant to not know the solution to your problem, maybe I can help.

FU***ING QUIT AND GO TO MED SCHOOL

As long as UPS is paying for my uniforms 100%, they can pinstripe it with gold for all I care. Heck, for the right amount of money I'll even do a little dance on my way up the stairs to the airplane.

By the way, that 100% also includes new uniform pieces annually, suitcase, and brain-bag.

Why would I want your job?

You wouldn't. They make you wear brown.

 

[Clyde]

I'm far from miserable....lol. I have a 4 minute drive to work, and am home most evenings/nights which means my kids actually have a "daddy". I drive a late model truck, I'm still paying for school, have all the bills most have plus some, and I don't make 94K per year. I fly newer equipment than he does, fly for a Fortune 300 Corporation, and average 600 hrs per year which is considered very high for part 91. Am I bitter? Not at all. I know things could be much better paywise, but I'm happy as Hell to have a job right now. This guy is a 5 year F/O for God's sake, and you want me to feel sorry for him? I think not!!! Maybe the two of you should get together and make out, and maybe just hold one another for a little while as you reassure one another things will be ok. Is this guy going to be pitching a fit when he's making over 200K as a Captain someday? He knew what he was getting into when he took the job for $27.00 per hour for first year pay.

I have a 4 minute drive to work, and am home most evenings/nights which means my kids actually have a "daddy".

I have a 20-minute drive to work, so you have me beat. However, I make the drive about twice a month. You are home most evenings and nights, and I think we are even there. I sat reserve for an entire bid period this fall, and I flew once, and it was an afternoon turn. I got bored being home for two months straight.

I don't have kids, so "daddy" is irrelevant.

I drive a late model truck, I'm still paying for school, have all the bills most have plus some, and I don't make 94K per year.

Does your late model truck have a payment that goes along with it each month? Mine is a 2001 F-150, completely paid for, no consumer debt, and 12 years left on a 15 year mortgage. Because people ahead of me negotiated by placing their goals and objectives higher and not lower, I am able to live like this. BTW, I have flown 170 hours this year.

I fly newer equipment than he does,

Oh no, not the shiny new jet syndrome again. Your's is newer, mine is bigger. (no pun intended)

fly for a Fortune 300 Corporation,

I fly for big corporation too.

Am I bitter? Not at all.

I would say slightly, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I know things could be much better paywise, but I'm happy as Hell to have a job right now.

And you should be. I know several corporate pilots, and they all have one thing in common: multiple-page resumes.

This guy is a 5 year F/O for God's sake, and you want me to feel sorry for him? I think not!!!

Nobody wants anybody to feel sorry for anyone. I don't why you think that.

Maybe the two of you should get together and make out, and maybe just hold one another for a little while as you reassure one another things will be ok.

I thought you said you weren't bitter.

Is this guy going to be pitching a fit when he's making over 200K as a Captain someday?

If he is, wouldn't you agree that it is a nice problem to be pitching a fit over?

 

[Deuce130]

Sorry, I can't stand that "f'n quit then" mentality. I hear that so much, how about grow a pair and stand up and fight for something you believe in. You are a fool for not supporting any company that is trying to raise the bar for ALL of us. I hope the UPS guys get every penny they deserve.

Most regionals by the way pay much more than $30K/yr after 5 years. I am a 5th year guy and I clear a little better than $70K/yr. Which by the way sucks. I know high school drop outs that make much more than I do.

You got the wrong guy, I was quoting the other guy and making a point about his prior post. I'm all for UPS making a gazillion dollars, hopefully it will rub off on the rest of us.