UPS Airbus down in Birmingham

[uba757]

Again, we have really ##ing stupid people on here! Who gives a ##ck about your feelings being hurt, 2 people died!! Have some respect!

RIP!!

 

[SENECAII]

How about getting this thread back on track.

What's the latest on the accident?

I heard they have the boxes but nothing else.

Facts only.

Thanks

I read where the NTSB had said there was no sign of engine failure and in the same writeup said that while observing on of the pratts fan blades that the engine could not have been running at the time of impact due to the blades being mostly intact? WTF?

 

[Mamma]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/15/us/alabama-ups-plane-crash/?hpt=us_c2

Birmingham, Alabama (CNN) - A preliminary investigation has found no evidence of an "uncontained engine failure" or a "pre-impact fire" in the engine of a UPS cargo plane that crashed in Birmingham, Alabama, killing the pilot and co-pilot, a National Transportation Safety Board official said Thursday.

There also was no indication of a problem with runway lights, Robert Sumwalt of the NTSB told reporters.

 

[LJ45]

How do you know their age?

I feel safe in saying, "most" are young punks!

Why are you older and one of them?

Now anything else?

FYI...I'm almost to my wits end with this place (FI), it's very sad here to see some of the worst in our industry on display daily.

 

[KaptainKarl]

Latest: NTSB disclosed voice recorder was normal convo until GPWS alerted "sink rate" at :19 remaining on tape, :13 began impact sounds. The last :09 were post impact till tape end.

Also, they interviewed tower controller who witnessed the impact and no distress call was ever made. Made mention of seeing sparks consistent with a powerline being cut prior to impact over the hill.

This was from news conference around 1800 today (Friday).

 

[flyboyike]

Has it been officially confirmed that Rwy 24 was closed?

 

[Varmint]

Has it been officially confirmed that Rwy 24 was closed?

This is all I could find so far....not sure of the L-notams on that specific date/time. Its apparent there is some work being done on 6/24 though.

KBHM BIRMINGHAM-SHUTTLESWORTH INTL
!BHM 08/023 BHM RWY 24 TORA 10060/LDA 10060/TODA 10060 WEF 1308050129
!BHM 08/022 BHM RWY 6/24 NOW 10060X150
!BHM 08/021 BHM RWY 6/24 NONSTD MARKING
!BHM 08/019 BHM RWY 24 TOUCHDOWN MARKINGS MISSING
!BHM 08/018 BHM RWY 6/24 WORKING PROGRESS TRENCHING 1290 NORTHEAST OF THR DSPLCD
!BHM 08/016 BHM RWY 24 THR DSPLCD 1938
!BHM 08/012 BHM TWY A7 CLSD
!BHM 08/009 BHM TWY A CLSD NORTHEAST HANGER 25B WEF 1308040332
!BHM 08/008 BHM NAV ILS RWY 24 DME OTS WEF 1308031700
!BHM 07/054 BHM RWY 24 PAPI OTS WEF 1308022100-1310042100
!BHM 07/053 BHM NAV ILS RWY 24 GP OTS WEF 1308022100-1310042100
!BHM 07/052 BHM RWY 24 ALS OTS WEF 1308022100-1310042100

 

[flyboyike]

This is all I could find so far....not sure of the L-notams on that specific date/time. Its apparent there is some work being done on 6/24 though.

KBHM BIRMINGHAM-SHUTTLESWORTH INTL
!BHM 08/023 BHM RWY 24 TORA 10060/LDA 10060/TODA 10060 WEF 1308050129
!BHM 08/022 BHM RWY 6/24 NOW 10060X150
!BHM 08/021 BHM RWY 6/24 NONSTD MARKING
!BHM 08/019 BHM RWY 24 TOUCHDOWN MARKINGS MISSING
!BHM 08/018 BHM RWY 6/24 WORKING PROGRESS TRENCHING 1290 NORTHEAST OF THR DSPLCD
!BHM 08/016 BHM RWY 24 THR DSPLCD 1938
!BHM 08/012 BHM TWY A7 CLSD
!BHM 08/009 BHM TWY A CLSD NORTHEAST HANGER 25B WEF 1308040332
!BHM 08/008 BHM NAV ILS RWY 24 DME OTS WEF 1308031700
!BHM 07/054 BHM RWY 24 PAPI OTS WEF 1308022100-1310042100
!BHM 07/053 BHM NAV ILS RWY 24 GP OTS WEF 1308022100-1310042100
!BHM 07/052 BHM RWY 24 ALS OTS WEF 1308022100-1310042100

I saw that as well, it seems 10,060 feet was available, and the runway was not closed, though.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Starting to sound like the FEDEX 727 that crashed while on approach to TLH several years back. Didn't they micro-sleep all the way to the ground?

 

[jmreii]

Starting to sound like the FEDEX 727 that crashed while on approach to TLH several years back. Didn't they micro-sleep all the way to the ground?[/QUOTE

The FedEx 727 wasn't descending like a bat out of hell in which the entire crew survive the accident with much of the plane intact. The wreckage of the UPS jet suggest the accident was violent and not survival.

 

[Newkem]

Loc 18 bhm

According to the NTSB, data on the CVR confirms the crew had briefed and was flying the LOC 18 to BHM.

Has anyone flown that approach / reviewed the plate? The minimums area on the plate suggests the approach is NA at night. (?)

There is a hill out there just to the right of CL (around 850-900 feet?) which may be the reason that straight in mins are NA at night on that approach.

The RNAV GPS 18 approach, however, does not list this restriction, and allows mins of 1200 MSL / 556 AGL, well below the height of that hill just to right of CL.

May God bless the loved ones of these two professional pilots and may he rest their souls. Thoughts and prayers to all involved and all those who feel this terrible loss.

 

[rettofly]

According to the NTSB, data on the CVR confirms the crew had briefed and was flying the LOC 18 to BHM.

Has anyone flown that approach / reviewed the plate? The minimums area on the plate suggests the approach is NA at night. (?)

There is a hill out there just to the right of CL (around 850-900 feet?) which may be the reason that straight in mins are NA at night on that approach.

The RNAV GPS 18 approach, however, does not list this restriction, and allows mins of 1200 MSL / 556 AGL, well below the height of that hill just to right of CL.

May God bless the loved ones of these two professional pilots and may he rest their souls. Thoughts and prayers to all involved and all those who feel this terrible loss.

The note says that the LOC is NA if the VGSI is OTS.

 

[macdu]

"Beal, who was hired by UPS in October 1990, had about 8,600 hours of flying time, including 6,400 hours with UPS and more than 3,200 flying the Airbus A300."

"Fanning was hired by UPS in November 2006 and had about 6,500 hours of flying time, 1,250 of those with UPS and 400 hours flying the Airbus A300."


So for Beal that's 23 years with the company 6400 hours. 6400/23=278.2hrs per year.

Fanning, has 7 years and 1250 hrs. 1250/7=178.5hrs per year.

Am I missing something here besides the fact I wish I had gotten hired there. I fly those yearly totals every three months. Wow.

 

[WSurf]

"Beal, who was hired by UPS in October 1990, had about 8,600 hours of flying time, including 6,400 hours with UPS and more than 3,200 flying the Airbus A300."

"Fanning was hired by UPS in November 2006 and had about 6,500 hours of flying time, 1,250 of those with UPS and 400 hours flying the Airbus A300."


So for Beal that's 23 years with the company 6400 hours. 6400/23=278.2hrs per year.

Fanning, has 7 years and 1250 hrs. 1250/7=178.5hrs per year.

Am I missing something here besides the fact I wish I had gotten hired there. I fly those yearly totals every three months. Wow.

No your not missing anything. My UPS friends laugh when they hear how much I fly a month.

 

[inthegoo]

I heard Beals last logbook entry was in 1990 the day before he got hired at ups, that was 8600 hrs, the media is just stupid