UPS Airbus down in Birmingham

[t-bone]

Sunrise these days is just after 0600, and the LOC 18 is NA at night.

 

[THEPRFCT10]

Sunrise these days is just after 0600, and the LOC 18 is NA at night.

We just saw that on the charts. Minimums N/A at night. Now what? Sucks.

 

[Benjamin Dover]

Might have been doing the RNAV or a "visual" when maybe not really visual. Pretty inconsistent METARs leading up to their arrival (accident at 0951Z)

KBHM 140953Z 34004KT 10SM FEW011 BKN035 OVC075 23/22 A2997 RMK AO2 SLP141 T02330222
KBHM 140904Z 00000KT 10SM SCT010 BKN075 23/22 A2996 RMK AO2
KBHM 140853Z 00000KT 10SM BKN010 OVC075 23/22 A2997 RMK AO2 CIG 006V013 SLP138 T02330217 52000
KBHM 140848Z 33003KT 10SM OVC010 23/22 A2997 RMK AO2 CIG 006V013
KBHM 140753Z 00000KT 9SM OVC008 23/22 A2996 RMK AO2 CIG 007V011 SLP137 T02330217
KBHM 140734Z 00000KT 10SM BKN010 BKN016 23/22 A2996 RMK AO2

 

[Benjamin Dover]

We just saw that on the charts. Minimums N/A at night. Now what? Sucks.

I think that NA at night might be company specific. Look at the chart in this think. Says LOC 18 NA at night only when VGSI inop.

http://avherald.com/h?article=466d969f

 

[Ticker]

They were doing the Localizer appch.

 

[Ticker]

Look at the chart in this think. Says LOC 18 NA at night only when VGSI inop.

http://avherald.com/h?article=466d969f

Took the words out of my mouth.

...and the PAPI was working at the time...

 

[Flyer1015]

What airline uses NACO charts? Almost all use Jepps, and the Jepp plate does list two mins at the bottom: day and night. Night are "NA" (without any note or reference to VGSI).

 

[t-bone]

The jepp plate does reference the VGSI inop stipulation under notes...and also states N/A under Night Minimums. Ambiguous, yes. But without published minimums, how do you brief an approach? Really sucks if they missed that the published minimums were for Day only. We all could easily make that mistake at that time of day...

 

[Ticker]

What airline uses NACO charts? Almost all use Jepps, and the Jepp plate does list two mins at the bottom: day and night. Night are "NA" (without any note or reference to VGSI).

Interesting. I don't have a Jepp with me to reference. One would think they would be identical. That's really odd.

 

[Ticker]

Tbone is right, the VGSI inop restriction for night is in the notes and the Night Mins on the plate state N/A. That's screwy!