UPS 747-400F looking Sharp!

[Taildraggaah]

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?...gb_vq QRFP&photo_nr=1&prev_id=&next_id=NEXTID

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

Too bad it's a brand new jet with 1980's technology. The MD-11 is a lot more advanced and automated and none have been made for 7 years!

 

[Captain Morgan]

That 744 is cleeean! I do like the MD-11 better, especially in the new World colors.

 

[CopilotDoug]

That 744 is cleeean! I do like the MD-11 better, especially in the new World colors.

Yeah...UPS had the right design, World just put it in the right colors

 

[TheBaron]

Looks great. I wish we were getting them. Guess I'm stuck with my old three-holer...and the MD-11 too.

 

[Lear Wanna Be]

I know a guy that just came off the MD-11 at UPS. He is back on the 747 these days and liking it a lot more. He did a lot of around the world routes and did not really like the driftdown performance on the MD-11 while in the Himalayas. Apparently it is well below 29,000', so they have escape routes to keep from hitting the big piles of rocks over there. Give me 4 engines anytime.

 

[727C47]

the Boeing is a classic beauty.

 

[Shag McNasty]

He did a lot of around the world routes and did not really like the driftdown performance on the MD-11 while in the Himalayas.

Pilots will always find something to b!tch about.

 

[TheBaron]

I know a guy that just came off the MD-11 at UPS. He is back on the 747 these days and liking it a lot more. He did a lot of around the world routes and did not really like the driftdown performance on the MD-11 while in the Himalayas. Apparently it is well below 29,000', so they have escape routes to keep from hitting the big piles of rocks over there. Give me 4 engines anytime.

I think the escape routes on L888 are determined more by the Chinese and what parts of there country they will allow us to fly over vs. any engine out performance penalty. They are very strict about not straying off the airway.

 

[B747FR8DAWG]

Whale Lover

For all those MD11 fans: How do the rest facilities on the MD11 compare to the 747 facilities???

 

[Taildraggaah]

Too bad it's a brand new jet with 1980's technology.

I agree about the technology but I still think the 747 is just cool looking...even if there is a 286 processor inside!!!

 

[jws717]

There is a reason that thousands of 747s have been built over the years, and only a handfull of MD11s.

 

[B747FR8DAWG]

There is a reason that thousands of 747s have been built over the years, and only a handfull of MD11s.

imp: So True!

 

[big_al]

There is a reason that thousands of 747s have been built over the years, and only a handfull of MD11s.

because not many were a fan of the engine on the tail maint wise, and Boeing buying MD when MD was supposedly working out the kinks of the MD-11 and rumors had it even working on a 4 engine airplane? MD made the best airplanes out there, there is a reason NWA still flies the dc-9s around, and the MD-11s and DC-10s are still bringing cargo to and fro

 

[Taildraggaah]

MD made the best airplanes out there,

"yeah I'm gonna have to get back to you on Saturday for that one..."I am not saying that MD didn't make a great bird but what happened in all those years that Boeing was romping on them before Boeing bought MD? And if you remember, again the DC9 is a great plane, Northwest kept the DC9s and refurbed them to save money, not because they were the best...

 

[B747FR8DAWG]

there is a reason NWA still flies the dc-9s around

NWA has the oldest fleet for a major airline, they probably could not afford new planes,that probably explains why NWA has held onto the 9's so long, but that's changing since they got rid of DC-10's, and getting Airbuses for cheap to compete with Boeing.

the MD-11s and DC-10s are still bringing cargo to and fro

So are the 747's, moving more payload over greater distances!

 

[TheBaron]

To answer your question about the crew rest areas...
I've only jumped on UPS 747's and haven't noticed a crew rest area so I can't really say what one looks like. The one's we have on the MD-11 $uck!!!
They are about the size of a coffin (for an overweight captain) with about the same amount of airflow. I'll take a futon on the floor over a crew rest area (one of ours) any day of the week.

 

[Captain Morgan]

I think we can all agree that Airbus sucks though!

CM

 

[727C47]

Douglas for props,Boeing for jets.

 

[belchfire]

Douglas for props,Boeing for jets.

Well, sort of. Don't see many 707's or 73-100's out there any more. DC was Douglas Commercial and while the DC-10 carried the name on the old man from STL got his fingers in the pie. The DC side of the house proposed an airliner in the 76 class-(a wide body twin) in the late 70's or early 80's and old man McDonell had two words..."kill it."

The Douglas line effectively ended with the DC-9.

When you think about the fact that the 74 was originally designed in the days of sliderules and honest to goodness Draftsmen drawing at big tables on real paper with penciles and pens it's amazing.

When you compare that to all the computer time that Airbus has spent getting the A-380 not quite right you just have to laugh at them!

 

[B747FR8DAWG]

To answer your question about the crew rest areas...
I've only jumped on UPS 747's and haven't noticed a crew rest area so I can't really say what one looks like. The one's we have on the MD-11 $uck!!!
They are about the size of a coffin (for an overweight captain) with about the same amount of airflow. I'll take a futon on the floor over a crew rest area (one of ours) any day of the week.

Thanks for the update on rest facilities, I'm sure the new 747's that UPS will take delivery of, will have the standard rest areas as all other 747-400F's in service.

 

[metrodriver]

Boeing recently took a 30-some year old DC-10 back that had far over 150.000hrs on it, flown for the last decade in africa hauling freight and took it apart to see how the aging process was going. They did not believe their eyes, apparently the aircraft was in a prestine condition thanks to the corrosion proofing Douglas put on their products. Boeing does not support DC10's anymore, but there are no life time limits on it, unlike the 747.

 

[TWA]

What are the lifetime limits on the 747?

 

[propsarebest]

We kick it OLD SKOOL



http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1226162/L/

 

[Airbum]

I know a guy that just came off the MD-11 at UPS. He is back on the 747 these days and liking it a lot more. He did a lot of around the world routes and did not really like the driftdown performance on the MD-11 while in the Himalayas. Apparently it is well below 29,000', so they have escape routes to keep from hitting the big piles of rocks over there. Give me 4 engines anytime.

The driftdown escape routes on L888 are not for engine failures. but for loss of cockpit press ability. High terrain limits one ability to decend below 25k.

 

[AV80R]

because not many were a fan of the engine on the tail maint wise...

The "original" 747-300 was supposed to be a tri-jet
B747-300 Trijet

During the 1970s, Boeing studied the development of a shorter body, three-engined 747 to compete with the Lockheed L-1011 and the McDonnell Douglas DC-10, which were both smaller than the existing 747-100/-200 and had lower trip costs than the 747SP. The 747-300 Trijet would have been bigger than either of the competing trijets, with more payload, range and passenger capacity. The center engine would have been located in the tail with an s-duct intake similar to the L-1011’s. Wind tunnel testing showed that the upper deck interfered with the airflow into the center engine, and the design was not pursued. The 747-300 designation was later used for an improved 747-200 with a stretched upper deck.

 

[B747Flyer]

Douglas for props,Boeing for jets.

Make that an R2800 or R3350 and I'd agree!

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Boeing builds airplanes.... Douglas builds character.