Update - US Airways Recalls

[Crzipilot]

Well I'm not getting ahead of myself on the recalls, It's just that it has gone through pretty quick, but kinda sucks as it's currently stalled at 2 numbers above me......HAHAHA.....

And I realize the result of the arbitration will change or make up alot of peoples minds as to what they do. hence, hoping it runs down the list quite a bit to at least get back on property at grp II or better, prior to the next recall. As the next recall, they once again start at the top of the list, and we have to wait for it to come down.

 

[m80drvr]

The higher ups don't know what life is like on $40,000/year.

The hire ups don't care. There will be THOUSANDS of pilot applications when U has to hire off the streets to fill the 190 positions. We are our own worst enemy.

 

[FLYLOW22]

6/21/99 hire date.

Got called yesterday for a May 21st re-hire class.

Airbus, 737 and 757/767 offered in the class.

Bypassed.

For what it's worth.

 

[BenderGonzales]

John,
So when you got "the letter", you told them that you intended to accept recall, and when they actually called you then bypassed? I didn't think that was kosher. How did they take it?

ALPO indicated that there might be some kind of negative response by the company if someone did that.

I bypassed when I got the letter and, of course, never got an actual call for a classdate.

MW DOH 1/99

 

[Swaayze]

Man, they've been through nearly 1000 pilots to get 160 recalls to classes offering the Group 2s and the 757! Will they find anyone on the APL to fly the 190?

 

[BenderGonzales]

When I saw the 757 and 767 go to recalls I cant help but wonder... what would I have gotten if I had accepted the class.

(Will kick myself if it's the 767)

 

[FLYLOW22]

Shiney Jet Syndrome!!!

When I saw the 757 and 767 go to recalls I cant help but wonder... what would I have gotten if I had accepted the class.

(Will kick myself if it's the 767)

No you won't. This will all work out the way it is supposed to be. We will all have our last and final chance. Until then... 18 months on the 767, only to be bumped off at the next hiccup is no place to be.

To ask pilots to return to US Airways now without a solid seniority list in place and a single contract is absolute madness.

More waste.

 

[Green]

well the safe bet would be to expect to come back off furlough on the bottom of the list. That is GENERALLY how it works in the industry. Of course you just might come back senior to 70% of AWA captains and all of our fo's. You never know.

 

[typhoonpilot]

well the safe bet would be to expect to come back off furlough on the bottom of the list. That is GENERALLY how it works in the industry. Of course you just might come back senior to 70% of AWA captains and all of our fo's. You never know.

Green:

Get a life , nobody is expecting to come back senior to AWA captains. Go peddle your crap by that rock you crawled out from under.


TP

 

[BenderGonzales]

Yeah you're right. Guess it was a bit of shiny-jet syndrome.

 

[m80drvr]

Green:

Get a life , nobody is expecting to come back senior to AWA captains. Go peddle your crap by that rock you crawled out from under.


TP

Cut the guy some slack. The east list had the HUNDREDS of furloughed pilots returning to a line holding captain position. Not to mention the CEL guys recalled in front of about 300 or more ACTIVE AWA pilots. (My numbers might be a little off but I think I am in the ballpark, it's too early to go through me files.)

 

[sean67]

Got a cert. letter that I'm in the ball park. I'm a 3 Aug 99 hire. Trying to decide to do a recall w/ military leave or just bypass. Hopefully this airline will once again be a great place to work. I had a great time there before 9/11.

 

[FR8mastr]

Cut the guy some slack. The east list had the HUNDREDS of furloughed pilots returning to a line holding captain position. Not to mention the CEL guys recalled in front of about 300 or more ACTIVE AWA pilots. (My numbers might be a little off but I think I am in the ballpark, it's too early to go through me files.)

Those CEL guys you refer to were all active at the time of the merger, and for a year prior to that.

 

[Green]

Green:

Get a life , nobody is expecting to come back senior to AWA captains. Go peddle your crap by that rock you crawled out from under.


TP

Typhoon,

You are obviously ignorant of your own MC's demands. They are asking that the MAJORITY of our captains be JUNIOR to furloughed AAA pilots. Our number 1 pilot would be around 900 down the list. They want many of our junior fo's to be stapled below your entire list including 1800 or so furloughed pilots. You've got to hand it to them for reaching high..lol...I would suggest you educate yourself before throwing stones next time.

Flylow 22 said "to ask pilots to return to Us Airways without a solid seniority list in place........is absolute madness."

again I would expect to come back off furlough at the bottom of the list. Obviously that doesn't appear to be the expectation among furloughed pilots. Good luck with that....

 

[Hpilot]

Typhoon,

You are obviously ignorant of your own MC's demands. They are asking that the MAJORITY of our captains be JUNIOR to furloughed AAA pilots. Our number 1 pilot would be around 900 down the list. They want many of our junior fo's to be stapled below your entire list including 1800 or so furloughed pilots. You've got to hand it to them for reaching high..lol...I would suggest you educate yourself before throwing stones next time.

That's how I read it as well. The hardest hit would be our senior pilots. They'd get the big dry sandy. I don't think the east reps have a choice in what to ask for. If they push for anything less that DOH they'd probably end up getting fitted for cement shoes. Isn't that how it works out east.

 

[typhoonpilot]

Typhoon,

You are obviously ignorant of your own MC's demands. They are asking that the MAJORITY of our captains be JUNIOR to furloughed AAA pilots. Our number 1 pilot would be around 900 down the list. They want many of our junior fo's to be stapled below your entire list including 1800 or so furloughed pilots. You've got to hand it to them for reaching high..lol...I would suggest you educate yourself before throwing stones next time.

Flylow 22 said "to ask pilots to return to Us Airways without a solid seniority list in place........is absolute madness."

again I would expect to come back off furlough at the bottom of the list. Obviously that doesn't appear to be the expectation among furloughed pilots. Good luck with that....

You're not looking at the entire proposal. Under the east proposal left seat positions are allocated to pre-merger U/AWA pilots based on a formula up until June 1, 2014. AWA pilots have a minimum number of Captain positions, 869 to be exact. That is pretty good assurance that a formerly furloughed U pilot will not displace an AWA captain.

Our number 1 pilot would be around 900 down the list.

As he should be. He wasn't even hired until after those 900 pilots were working for Piedmont/Allegheny/Mohawk. Not coincidentally, by that June 1, 2014 date all of those 900 pilots who are above your number 1 guy will be retired.


TP

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Holy cow, didn't we just end this thread?

Our number 1 should be number 1 because your 900 or so above him wouldn't be working at USAirways if AWA didn't put together the deal to buy you guys.

Lets just wait for Nicodemus to rule so we can stop the hypotheticals.

 

[vetrider]

Two more months, at least then we can all argue over what is instead of every hypothetical scenario under the sun. Not knowing and being left to let ones imagination run wild is enough to drive a man to drink if you let it.

 

[Larcifer]

Recall letter showed up today, 8/3/99 hire. Bypass

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

No doubt. We need to get together and start improving our contract. Seniority is out of our hands, negotiations ain't.

 

[737 Pylt]

No doubt. We need to get together and start improving our contract. Seniority is out of our hands, negotiations ain't.

Grog:
When is the arbitrator supposed to rule on the seniority?

737

 

[LearLove]

Grog:
When is the arbitrator supposed to rule on the seniority?

737

begining of May sometime, give or take a week......

 

[Swaayze]

I would be afraid to go back and have no choice except the 75. Unending RSV and no ability to voluntarily bid other equipment/domiciles. I'd rather do the lock in the 190 and then have options! Funny how there's something for everyone I guess, huh?

As for the seniority list, I thought I recently saw an expectation of early June. I hope a single contract will be quickly forthcoming as that time approaches so we'll have a clue what we'd be getting into by returning. And I have to agree with Green, anyone who returns with expectations of anything more than bottom of the list needs a drug test (this is not to say what's right, rather that to assume anything in a decision of this magnitude is crazy).

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

I read in the mec notes that he said not to expect a decision before june.

Guess I'll have more time to work on my Basket Weaving degree from Whatsamatta U Online.

 

[Jetpipeovht]

I read in the mec notes that he said not to expect a decision before june.

Guess I'll have more time to work on my Basket Weaving degree from Whatsamatta U Online.

Then you will be eligible to be hired at DAL!!

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

I think that's what pylt said, if I get my degree he'll walk my sh!t in. Maybe my future would be brighter at Delta.

Guess I'd better get my logbook back up to date. Can I log the actual if I'm SIC?

Better check the regional boards for some interviewing tips....

 

[FLYLOW22]

Flylow 22 said "to ask pilots to return to Us Airways without a solid seniority list in place........is absolute madness."

Right.

Madness.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Typhoon,

You are obviously ignorant of your own MC's demands. They are asking that the MAJORITY of our captains be JUNIOR to furloughed AAA pilots. Our number 1 pilot would be around 900 down the list. They want many of our junior fo's to be stapled below your entire list including 1800 or so furloughed pilots. You've got to hand it to them for reaching high..lol...I would suggest you educate yourself before throwing stones next time.

MC?

Well, I looked at the West proposed integration and it was horrible. I looked at the East proposed integration and it showed a 6/99 hire junior to a 2002 AWA hire.

That's pretty sucky.

Dunno about other proposals for pilots hired prior. Don't care. I can't decide for them and most on property are committed at the age of 55 anyway.

 

[BenderGonzales]

I think you folks from AWA need to cut the furloughees a little slack on this message board. We've been on the street now for over 5 years and most of us stopped paying attention to what ALPO was doing after the 3rd or 4th time they screwed us post-furlough.

We have no idea what are involved in, and have provided no input into, the integration proposals. So give us a break, would ya? Those of us who decided to avoid Jets-for-screwjobs have remained blissfully ignorant of US Airways for a long time now.

Only now that the letters and phonecalls have started coming have we started looking at the possibility of recall. (Do you have any idea how hard it is to make a decision like that without even knowing what the current contract is like in terms of pay, work-rules, retirement, commuter clause, etc.?)

 

[typhoonpilot]

[/QUOTE]

I think you folks from AWA need to cut the furloughees a little slack on this message board. We've been on the street now for over 5 years and most of us stopped paying attention to what ALPO was doing after the 3rd or 4th time they screwed us post-furlough.

We have no idea what are involved in, and have provided no input into, the integration proposals. So give us a break, would ya? Those of us who decided to avoid Jets-for-screwjobs have remained blissfully ignorant of US Airways for a long time now.

Only now that the letters and phonecalls have started coming have we started looking at the possibility of recall. (Do you have any idea how hard it is to make a decision like that without even knowing what the current contract is like in terms of pay, work-rules, retirement, commuter clause, etc.?)

Oh, but Bender, Green and his ilk would like to take advantage of the 2500 retirements that are going to occur in the East over the next 8 years. They care not about you or your prospects at the new airline. They would like to see themselves upgrade before an East pilot hired in 1989 ( I'm guessing Green was hired in 2000/2001 ).

The East proposal effectively creates fences for the next 7 years to protect both sides from hugely unfair seniority leaps from happening. The West proposal is the worst case scenario and is about as bad as the AA/TWA integration, yet Green comes on here and complains ad nauseam.

Holy cow, didn't we just end this thread?

We did, but Green jumped into again. A response to his immature ramblings had to be made.

Our number 1 should be number 1 because your 900 or so above him wouldn't be working at USAirways if AWA didn't put together the deal to buy you guys.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Conjecture at best that U would have failed without AWA. I could easily say that, in time, AWA would have failed without the benefits of U's traffic in the east.

Lets just wait for Nicodemus to rule so we can stop the hypotheticals.

It's Nicolau, and I agree.

Now back to our originally scheduled recall thread, thanks for playing



TP