Upcoming SMO Changes and Impact on Fractionals...

[realityman]

Ah, I see you do have a bit of an inside track on what's going on out there.

My apologies for making the assumptions I did. I just feel this stuff is important, even if it's not immediately pressing.

I don't drink alcohol, so if we meet somewhere the first TWO rounds are on me!!:beer: You can drink yours and the one I would've drunk if I imbibed the fire water!

And you have more support at NJA than you know. Keep up the good fight!!

 

[ProFracPilot]

I don't drink alcohol, so if we meet somewhere the first TWO rounds are on me!!:beer: You can drink yours and the one I would've drunk if I imbibed the fire water!

Galaxy-

I'd make him buy all night! Not only is there a LARGE disparity in pay scales, but realityman probably still has the first dollar he ever earned from flying!

realityman-

I thought you would have bid the 2000 by now...

 

[realityman]

Galaxy-

I'd make him buy all night! Not only is there a LARGE disparity in pay scales, but realityman probably still has the first dollar he ever earned from flying!

realityman-

I thought you would have bid the 2000 by now...

Ha! Had that first dollar until I got married.

I'd love to try a new plane at this point but I can't. I've got the golden handcuffs in the X. Going to the 2000 would mean losing the IOE pay, $9K/year, and I have no intention of taking a pay cut to fly a bigger plane.
I'm definitely going to give it some thought, though, if we get the Citation Columbus, or we see 7X's on our side of the pond.

 

[bailey3083]

Santa Monica Airport
Office of the Director
3223 Donald Douglas Loop South
Suite 3
Santa Monica, CA 90405
(310) 458-8591
FAX (310) 572-4495

April 10, 2008

Re: Santa Monica Airport – Implementation of Ban on Category C and D Aircraft.

Dear Santa Monica Airport User:

On March 25, 2008 the Santa Monica City Council adopted an ordinance restricting aircraft operations at the Santa Monica Municipal Airport (SMO) to aircraft designated by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) as Category A and B aircraft. The Santa Monica Airport is designed to handle such aircraft, which have approach speeds of less than 121 knots. Operations by Category C and D aircraft are prohibited by the ordinance.

The new ordinance will go into effect on April 24, 2008, after which only aircraft in the FAA designated A & B categories will be allowed to operate at SMO. Attached for your reference
is a table explaining FAA aircraft approach speed categories. Also you can visit the following FAA link to determine which category your aircraft falls under:
http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...char_database/.

Note: In general, the new ordinance provides that, except in the case of a bona fide emergency, no person operating a category C or D aircraft, as defined by FAA’s standards, shall land or depart from the Santa Monica Municipal Airport after April 23, 2008. Penalties for violation of the Ordinance include misdemeanor prosecution with punishment of a fine not greater than One Thousand Dollars ($1,000) or imprisonment in the County Jail for not more than six months, or both. The Ordinance is available for viewing at www.smgov.net or www.santamonicaairport.org (airport website).

Users of Santa Monica Airport, who utilize fractional share aircraft, may want to consult with their fractional share operators. As noted on their websites, the following fractional operators allow their participants to change to aircraft in compliant categories:

Netjets: http://www.netjets.com/The%20NetJets...m_overview.asp
Flexjet: http://www.flexjet.com/home.html;
Flight Options: http://www.flightoptions.com/about_overview.html

I also advise that you periodically check the Santa Monica Airport’s internet site at www.santamonicaairport.org for updates.

Sincerely

Robert D, Trimborn
Airport Director
Santa Monica Airport



FAA Designated Approach Categories



According to FAA Advisory Circular 150/5300-13, Airport Design, an aircraft’s approach category is based upon 1.3 times its stall speed at the aircraft’s maximum certificated weight.
The five approach categories used are as follows:

Category A: Speed less than 91 knots
Category B: Speed 91 knots or more but less than 121 knots
Category C: Speed 121 knots or more, but less than 141 knots
Category D: Speed 141 knots or more, but less than 166 knots
Category E: Speed greater than 166 knots

 

[RNObased]

No Netjets plane will be able to get in there if this stands.

Once again Jonjuan, think before you post. I know it is hard for you, but please try.

Plenty of NJA aircraft are Cat B.

 

[RNObased]

Oops, forgot about the Citations....

How is that possible??? Considering how many of them are around??

You never cease to amaze me with your lack of smarts.

 

[On Your Six]

Latest from AIN Online:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]FAA: Santa Monica Airport Ban ‘Unlawful’[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The FAA issued a cease-and-desist order late yesterday ordering Santa Monica (Calif.) Airport officials to halt implementation of an ordinance banning Category C and D aircraft at the field. Airport director Robert Trimborn sent a letter on April 10 to airport users advising them that after today (April 24), “only aircraft in the FAA-designated A and B categories will be allowed to operate at SMO.” Category C and D aircraft have approach speeds greater than 121 knots, and the ordinance would affect about 9,000 of the annual 130,000 aircraft operations at SMO. Penalties include misdemeanor prosecution and a fine up to $1,000 “or imprisonment in the County Jail for not more than six months, or both,” according to Trimborn’s letter. The FAA’s cease-and-desist order noted that “we can make a preliminary finding that the City’s ban on operation of these aircraft is likely unlawful.” Having accepted federal money, the airport cannot deny Category C and D aircraft operators the right to use the airport, the FAA said.[/FONT]

 

[ableone]

The city says that they are going to enforce the ban in defiance of the FAA cease and desist order.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-faa24apr24,1,780534.story

Should get interesting.

Anyone scheduled to fly a C or D out there soon?

 

[Galaxy]

This is going to get interesting tomorrow morning...

The airport was built in 1919.

Most of the homes right under the runways were built in the 60's. Seems more like they are trying to cover for poor local planning decisions.

In 1984 the city signed an agreement not to limit jet traffic there. The agreement expires in 2015. Looks like they do not want to wait it out.

While I agree that nobody would have ever imagined G4's headed to TEB out of SMO in the late 20's the homes in fear of their lives were built in the 60's. Many jets were flying during the housing boom in CA.

It is up to the FAA to see if they actually have a backbone and pull a federal court into the fight.

I hope someone actually does fly in there with a C or D aircraft. I hope they don't get arrested-I bet there will be some rich guy with a C or D aircraft that will tell his pilots to go in there-The FAA said it is against the law to discriminate against me and my big jet.

 

[ProFracPilot]

I bet there will be some rich guy with a C or D aircraft that will tell his pilots to go in there-The FAA said it is against the law to discriminate against me and my big jet.

I'm sure no one on here ever flew for a principal who would tell his pilots something like this: "How much will they fine us? $500? $1000? I only need to get in there this one time anyway. And besides, compared to what we're spending for gas in our (non-hushed G2, LR25, etc), any noise fine is chump change. We'll just go and, if you need to, pay the fine". I was certainly never told to do something like that...