Unofficial SWA app survey?....

[stb]

Wondering if the flight info posters would be interested in some type of gauge for others that applied to Southwest.

Something like:

2 points for each 1000 hours PIC in Jet aircraft
1.5 for each 1000 hours PIC in Turbo prop aircraft
1 for each 1000 hours SIC in Jet aircraft
.5 for each 1000 hours SIC in Turbo prop aircaft

Multiply military flight time by 2.

8 points for 737 type.

Each applicant has a 4 year degree, positive attitude, 5 letters of recommendation and no license violations.

This can give us some type of starting point. For the should I get the 73 type now or wait etc.


Again this is an unofficial poll. I have no insight on the SWA point system.

I'm at 16.5, 73 type, no military

 

[SuperDavi8ator]

Ok, I'll Play

19.0, Prior Mil + 737 type

 

[G4G5]

8 point for a 737 type? Two points for 1,000 hours of Jet PIC. IMHO it's the other way around. Anyone with a month and $10,000 can get a type. 1,000 hours of Jet Pic will take you a whole lot longer to aquire.

They were pretty clear that it was not going to count that much this time around. From what I understood. they were hiring based upon credentials, then it was up to the candidate to show up to class with the type. Number of type ratings, AS, BS, MBA, total time, 121/135 experience, internal LOR's ect. are probably going to count just as much if not more. They fully expect that those offered positions predicated upon completing a 737 type are not going to complain one bit if they have to go out and get a type. I seriously doubt that anyone will turn SWA down because they have to get a 737 type.

"Sorry, I can't except your offer because I don't want to spend the money on a 737 type"

This is probably something that they don't expect to hear all that often. This will allow them to hire a completly different type of candidate this time around. They would not have eased up on the requirement if they felt it was as important

Not that getting the type is a bad thing, you will need it anyway. IMHO, it's just not something that will push you over the edge.

 

[luv2fly]

"This will allow them to hire a completly different type of candidate this time around. "

I don't think that is something SWA is trying to do! I think it is the opposite of that, they want to make sure they get the same type of people they have been hiring for the past 30+ years.

I have heard that the type is big on the points. It shows the motivation and desire to want to work at SWA.

 

[HOUMAN]

I was thinking the 8 points for the type was actually low, maybe 10 points would be better.

 

[G4G5]

Then in this economic climate with so many airline pilots out on the street, why did America's premier carrier remove the requirement?

They could have had people standing in line to get types.

 

[stb]

Looking at the questions...

on the app, they only question about the 73 type rating. Not how many do you have.

The 73 type requirement change could be for furloughed pilots that have 1000's of hours in the 73 but no type. USAirways, Vanguard and United.

 

[SWAdude]

Folks this comes from the people in pilot recruitment.

Dropping the type simply gives us a larger pool to choose from.

Pretty simple huh.

SWAdude

 

[Swerpipe]

Interesting point system

The PD said that while they have a "scoring system", it is not a "computer" system. The human is always in the loop. Given the fact that the pool is draining by May, interviews are starting by March and the delay between interview date, background check and review board, it seems logical that at least the first couple of months you will see only people that are already typed since the minimum number of "typed" pilots in the pool is about 60.Therefore, initially the "value" of your type is probably much higher. As they build up the pool, they will be able to bring non-typed pilots. Only my guess. I think that Who gets called for interviews will not be necessarily obvious once interviews resume. SWA will pick and choose subjectively from all candidates. Putting a point number scheme on hours and type is probably only a part the picture they get from you. Good luck to everyone. My score?11.3

 

[boeingdriver213]

17.0. No military, typed in 737. Fingers crossed.

 

[avoidingmyboss]

no type yet 2.5 Hey does anyone know a good truck driving school? Maybe 80for80 and I can be class mates.

LOR's, is that 5 LOR's from SWA people?

Fat Bastard is gone....for now

 

[herc17]

Interesting game. However, I personally spoke to LL last week and she mentioned the fact that SWA looks for leadership experience such as IP time and flight time in large or multi crew aircraft. She also mentioned education. How about points for IP time and Masters degree etc. Good luck everyone.

 

[avoidingmyboss]

Interesting game. However, I personally spoke to LL last week and she mentioned the fact that SWA looks for leadership experience such as IP time and flight time in large or multi crew aircraft. She also mentioned education. How about points for IP time and Masters degree etc. Good luck everyone.

Then take anther point from me now. Here I come 80for80 save a slot for me

 

[thebluto]

18.5

18.5, mil, 737 type

 

[juan2go]

Ok, I'll Play

12.5 points (at the time of interview)

Oh, and no four year degree, only .6 jet time.

I'm not sure that this point system is a good indicator of someones chances. Are you 42 y.o. with 2200 t.t., or 27 y.o. with 6000 t.t. ? Single pilot, or two pilot crew? So many variables, so few points.

Good luck to all.

Juan

 

[PTinbound]

I would have only had 11.0 points when I applied at the end of September, 2001 (I picked a lousy time to log my 1000th hour of turbine PIC!). Glad they didn't use this system then!
Of course, you could double my military helicopter time, but it would still count for zero....

 

[reepicheep]

19.5, but I'd say it's more like 10 points for each 1,000 hours of PIC turbine, 1 point for each 1,000 hours of SIC turbine, 5 points for the type.

 

[JayhawkDude]

Talked to LL today

I spoke with LL today. (A pleasure, as always.) After reading the debate on this thread, I asked her about types and scoring.

She said the 737 type rating makes a candidate more competitive. She said it would get you into an interview "a couple of months earlier" than someone without one. She also said the first several interviews would be "mostly" type-rated folks, but not all. She said the same thing they have said all along- two very important things they look at are the type and recency of experience.

I also asked about the so-called "scoring system." She said the computer is a tool to organize the apps. She emphasized the fact that the wonderful ladies in the PD look at every app that comes through and the human factor is anything but missing. They are the ones who select the most qualified candidate based on many factors, not a computer-scored points system.

Everything else we've heard on Flightinfo seems to be holding true- classes in early March, then every two weeks. Pool drained by about June. Interviews about May.

Finally to my bros in the pool- to gauge your position: she said I was in the third class assuming 20 per. If they go to 24, I might squeak into the second one if there are a couple of no-shows. We'll see...

 

[El Cid]

5.0 Military, no type. Just confirms I need to get one I guess. Oh... and get 500 ME to lift the restriction!!! (unless anyone knows different) SWAdude? Bueller...?

 

[Lightninglou]

Okay...I'll play

15.5 points, 737 type, military.

If you don't think the type rating is important, just read the book Nuts.

Just an outsider hoping to be an insider... Peace.

Lightning

 

[Bill Nelson]

If you don't have 500 ME you will get a restricted 737 type.

UNLESS, you pay the extra money and do the bounces in the A/C.
I don't know what it costs extra, but you can get an unrestricted type without 500ME, justs costs more.

hope that helps

 

[learjetguy]

points

13.5, 737 Type, Civi.

Question for those in the know. Will having an ENLISTED military background benefit an applicant? Grunts are special people too!!

Learguy

 

[typhoonpilot]

What exactly does that restricted type question mean ? My type on the 737 has a limitation for circling vmc only as circling was not demonstrated on the type ride.

Thanks for the answer,


Typhoonpilot

 

[TriStar_drvr]

Interesting. Although I don't have an application on file now, I would have about (round up or down to the nearest thousand hours?) 5.5 points. Three years ago when I did interview with SWA I had 4.5 points.

 

[Falconjet]

type

Typhoon: that means that you need to have that restriction removed from your type rating before you are eligible for employment at SW. How to do that I'm not sure, but they are very specific about the type rating being unrestricted. You probably need to demonstrate a circling approach to an FAA examiner in a sim to have that restriction removed.

Good luck.

FJ

 

[SWAnnabee]

type restriction

If you look in the FAR's there is a laundry list of criteria for issuing an unrestricted type rating. On was if you have over 1000 hours in two or more aircraft requiring a type rating and are typed in those aircraft, then your new 737 type rating can be unrestricted. As a military pilot, jet aircraft over 12000 lbs require a type rating and our NATOPS tests are considered equivalent to a type rating. Having over 1000 hours in two different jet aircraft allowed me to receive the unrestricted 737 type. Hopes this helps.

 

[Kool]

Mil NATOPS Checks

Boz,

Is that true about a NATOPS rating being the equivilent of a Type rating? If so, are you checking "rated" on the SWA app for all the 12,000 lb+ aircraft you flew, are current in, or none at all?