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United's chief pilot on the furlough annoucement

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Browntothebone

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Subject: United Furlough Numbers

This is Keith Rimer, system chief pilot, with a message for United pilots on Monday, June 23.
We announced on June 4 that we would be removing a total of 100 aircraft from our mainline fleet in response to record high oil prices and a softening economy. These reductions will begin in September, continue through the end of 2008 and well into 2009. If you follow the industry, you know that other airlines are taking similar actions. At last count, U.S. network carriers had announced plans to remove nearly 300 mainline aircraft from their fleets by the end of 2009, in order to reduce industry capacity.
Reducing our schedule to get back on the path to profitability in light of dramatically higher fuel costs inevitably involves reducing the number of people we have to run the operation. Reductions in salaried and management staffs have already begun in a number of areas. In flight operations, layoffs of salaried and management employees are expected to begin in mid-July. In total, the number of salaried and management positions at United will be reduced by 1400-1600 people.
With regard to reductions in pilot manpower, our scheduling group is finalizing details of the initial round of reductions for the fall, beginning in September. As a result, we will begin the related process of distributing furlough notices. The first notices will go out in mid-July to furlough approximately 100 pilots for the September flying month. The furlough process will be facilitated through our domiciles and follow contractual procedures.
Overall, our fleet reduction plans include our entire fleet of 94 B737 aircraft as well as six B747s. This will take time to accomplish – well into 2009 before it is complete. We expect that, as we reduce our fleet by these 100 aircraft, we will furlough approximately 950 active pilots by the end of 2009. Due to the number of pilots on military and personal leaves, we currently anticipate that approximately 1450 furlough notices will be distributed over time in order to reduce our active pilot ranks by 950.
We have had ongoing discussions with ALPA concerning ways to mitigate the number of involuntary furloughs. The outcome of these discussions could reduce the number of involuntary furloughs.
As always, we will keep you informed as decisions are made that could affect you. We hope to have more detail on the furlough mitigation actions to share with you as soon as they are finalized with ALPA. Details on the first furloughs for the September flying month will be available in a few weeks. At the appropriate time, your domicile will work with you during this process.
Furloughs are an unfortunate and difficult reality of the airline industry. It's common to find long-tenured pilots who have been affected by furloughs in their careers. We plan to the best extent possible not to be in a situation that requires pilots to be furloughed. However, circumstances unforeseen just several months ago in the case of unprecedented fuel prices are now causing us to adjust our flying and related manpower. As we move forward through this process, we will treat everyone in a respectful manner, understanding the personal impacts that these actions can have.
Clearly, this is a difficult time for us to operate through. However, safety, of course, must remain first and foremost when we fly. While business decisions are being made in response to the circumstances we are faced with as a company, I know that, as pilots, you recognize the importance of a single focus in the cockpit.
Thank you.
 
All the furniture's already burned. Now they're burning the house down room by room . . . while Tilton's $29 million is being shoveled out the back door before the surprise announcement next winter.
 
"Furloughs are an unfortunate and difficult reality of the airline industry"

True, but this is not your fathers' furlough; not by a longshot.

"...these jobs are goin' boys, and they ain't comin' back"
---Springsteen
 
I guess you were never kicked out the door on to the street...

NO doubt this is why they brought old Joe (freaking a hole) Kolshack over there. He will furlough and rob guys blind with a smile on his face. He LOVES his job and will keep driving his Astin Martin Vanquish to the job when others are trying to feed their kids.

Any number of times for your information. Don't know Joe very well but most Marines don't screw over there troops so your limp dik comments are just that, limp. Your a *************************, so get over it!
 
Can't wait to burn it down!!!!!!!

Great. Another 8,000+ pilots on the breadline. All better quaified than you I would imagine. Go ahead die in your own mess. I find it hard to believe that you ever got be the UAL hiring process.....if ove course your a real UAL pilot. Most are not that stupid! BTW, after looking at your aviatr, I suspect that your not not a UAL guy, but maybe some pilot from another life form out of ATL.
 
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Don't know Joe very well but most Marines don't screw over there troops...

Gotta disagree with you on this one. There's plenty of Marines in management gleefully hosing down "their own".

Unless you've been at a place and watched management do everything to dismantle the company, it's hard to imagine it. It's happening at many companies in the U.S.--not just airlines.

If management can justify their bonuses, the troops can justify their actions. It's a sad point we've come to in this country.

Good luck to the UAL people. Fix bayonets! TC
 
Gotta disagree with you on this one. There's plenty of Marines in management gleefully hosing down "their own".

Unless you've been at a place and watched management do everything to dismantle the company, it's hard to imagine it. It's happening at many companies in the U.S.--not just airlines.

If management can justify their bonuses, the troops can justify their actions. It's a sad point we've come to in this country.

Good luck to the UAL people. Fix bayonets! TC

You have a problem that is a lot bigger than UAL. Get over it. How in the hell do you expect a company like UAL to survive oil at 140 a barrel? All of the airlines will follow in lock step with this issue and the fact that the CEO is making big bucks is a small issue in the deal. I suppose you would be giving back your $$ if roles were reversed? Yea right. A lot of us watch as you whiners try get over the fact that somehhow you have been passed over. Sorry but that's the way it is sometimes and with the me first group of pilots out there these days, you have to expect losses. Age 65, $200 a barrel oil, bring it on and lets see who survives. There are no sure things in life and for those who thought otherwise...sorry!
BTW, I don't know if your a Marine, but I doubt it.
 
What a fuking jerk. Go ahead a destroy what little is left of this airline. You would think this was the CP's idea and he is happy that he has to make this announcement. I bet you don't even work for UAL but simply enjoy throwing gas on an already tough situation for all the airlines. I know, keep whining about the salary of the Chairman. They should lock to the of you in a cell together. You could be his boy toy.

So if I understand you right, you believe all these guys about to be F'd should do everything they can to ensure your job security? I'd expect them to take care of themselves as they're preparing to hit the streets. I would hope they don't fly if they're feeling sick or overly stressed due to the actions of UAL managmement. If they can do without them in September, might as well start practicing now. These guys earned their sick time--they should be able to utilize it if they aren't feeling up to speed.

Good luck to all you UAL guys.

Schwanker
 
You have a problem that is a lot bigger than UAL. Get over it. How in the hell do you expect a company like UAL to survive oil at 140 a barrel? All of the airlines will follow in lock step with this issue and the fact that the CEO is making big bucks is a small issue in the deal. I suppose you would be giving back your $$ if roles were reversed? Yea right. A lot of us watch as you whiners try get over the fact that somehhow you have been passed over. Sorry but that's the way it is sometimes and with the me first group of pilots out there these days, you have to expect losses. Age 65, $200 a barrel oil, bring it on and lets see who survives. There are no sure things in life and for those who thought otherwise...sorry!
BTW, I don't know if your a Marine, but I doubt it.


The problem is that UAL has always had a "merge or sell" attitude. According to my CP contact at UAL, they really have no other options, as that was their only choice. Unfortunately, $130b oil has put a wrench in their plans.

With the credit markets so stretched and govt bailouts non existent, UAL is going to liquidate by the holidays.

Like I said, just a comment from a UAL CP, and we know what those mean ---- BELIEVE IT WHEN YOU SEE IT.
 
"Overall, our fleet reduction plans include our entire fleet of 94 B737 aircraft as well as six B747's"

Never has the name given to RAH's Emb170's as the "Guppy Killer" rang so true.

Sad days ahead and best of luck to all involved.
 
Spooky, the place is going to liquidate, with the lawyers and management types scooping up whatever they can. I'll say it again: burn all available sick time.
 
Spooky: I'm afraid you're not equal to the task of being an aged leader or sage in this profession. Which is not a big deal because there's really no one in your generation who is!! I hope UAL hangs on, but if it goes away I think we'll come to understand one day that there were important steps that labor needed to do to save it. When it was time to be true leaders your generation chose instead to pattern mgts torment of labor by turning on your coworkers and extracting their career progression from them.
 

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