United's chief pilot on the furlough annoucement

[jumppilot]

You have a problem that is a lot bigger than UAL. Get over it. How in the hell do you expect a company like UAL to survive oil at 140 a barrel? All of the airlines will follow in lock step with this issue and the fact that the CEO is making big bucks is a small issue in the deal. I suppose you would be giving back your $$ if roles were reversed? Yea right. A lot of us watch as you whiners try get over the fact that somehhow you have been passed over. Sorry but that's the way it is sometimes and with the me first group of pilots out there these days, you have to expect losses. Age 65, $200 a barrel oil, bring it on and lets see who survives. There are no sure things in life and for those who thought otherwise...sorry!
BTW, I don't know if your a Marine, but I doubt it.

The problem is that UAL has always had a "merge or sell" attitude. According to my CP contact at UAL, they really have no other options, as that was their only choice. Unfortunately, $130b oil has put a wrench in their plans.

With the credit markets so stretched and govt bailouts non existent, UAL is going to liquidate by the holidays.

Like I said, just a comment from a UAL CP, and we know what those mean ---- BELIEVE IT WHEN YOU SEE IT.

 

[cargoflyr69]

"Overall, our fleet reduction plans include our entire fleet of 94 B737 aircraft as well as six B747's"

Never has the name given to RAH's Emb170's as the "Guppy Killer" rang so true.

Sad days ahead and best of luck to all involved.

 

[spacecadet1]

Spooky, the place is going to liquidate, with the lawyers and management types scooping up whatever they can. I'll say it again: burn all available sick time.

 

[eaglesview]

Spooky, the place is going to liquidate, with the lawyers and management types scooping up whatever they can. I'll say it again: burn all available sick time.

Ahhh the insightful words of some jerk with nothing to lose.

 

[Flopgut]

Spooky: I'm afraid you're not equal to the task of being an aged leader or sage in this profession. Which is not a big deal because there's really no one in your generation who is!! I hope UAL hangs on, but if it goes away I think we'll come to understand one day that there were important steps that labor needed to do to save it. When it was time to be true leaders your generation chose instead to pattern mgts torment of labor by turning on your coworkers and extracting their career progression from them.

 

[spacecadet1]

Wrong, I've got a ton of sick time to lose. It sounds like you do also.

 

[AA717driver]

You have a problem that is a lot bigger than UAL. Get over it. How in the hell do you expect a company like UAL to survive oil at 140 a barrel?

I don't. This is new territory. As I said, uncharted territory.

All of the airlines will follow in lock step with this issue and the fact that the CEO is making big bucks is a small issue in the deal. I suppose you would be giving back your $$ if roles were reversed? Yea right.

I'm smart enough to know that you lead by example and you don't gorge yourself while your people are starving.

A lot of us watch as you whiners try get over the fact that somehhow you have been passed over.

Passed over? This isn't an "up or out" thing. Those who don't want to fly (other than a very few exceptions) go into management at the airlines. Don't confuse the military with the airlines.

BTW, I don't know if your a Marine, but I doubt it.

No, but I fly with a bunch and they are human like all of us--they are mostly good people but not exclusively so.

Being management does not give you the keys to the storehouse. You do not have carte blanche to take from the company to the detriment of the business and its workers.

Business schools in this country have corrupted the idea that was Capitalism. Boards of Directors were intended to exercise oversight on management, not be complicit in the looting of a struggling corporation. Unions are not at all blameless, either but both entities have adopted a 'scorched earth' policy due to arrogance and intransigence.

We will all suffer because of it. TC

 

[contrail67]

Spooky, the place is going to liquidate, with the lawyers and management types scooping up whatever they can. I'll say it again: burn all available sick time.

They announce an alliance with CAL then they are going to liquidate?...wonder how CAL feels about this.

Think.

 

[Freeze_gopher]

M y understanding is that furloughs go all the way back to 1999 hire dates. The first of the 950 active pilots begin hitting the street September 1st, notification letters go out next month. Total furloughs including guys on military leave and other LOAs' is something around 1450.

Once again AA717driver you're right on the money. Spooky2, I am a former Marine and you sound like your grasp of the situation is tenuous at best.

 

[Skank]

I don't. This is new territory. As I said, uncharted territory.



I'm smart enough to know that you lead by example and you don't gorge yourself while your people are starving.



Passed over? This isn't an "up or out" thing. Those who don't want to fly (other than a very few exceptions) go into management at the airlines. Don't confuse the military with the airlines.



No, but I fly with a bunch and they are human like all of us--they are mostly good people but not exclusively so.

Being management does not give you the keys to the storehouse. You do not have carte blanche to take from the company to the detriment of the business and its workers.

Business schools in this country have corrupted the idea that was Capitalism. Boards of Directors were intended to exercise oversight on management, not be complicit in the looting of a struggling corporation. Unions are not at all blameless, either but both entities have adopted a 'scorched earth' policy due to arrogance and intransigence.

We will all suffer because of it. TC

Now that's a nice avatar.

 

[RJAA]

They announce an alliance with CAL then they are going to liquidate?...wonder how CAL feels about this.

Think.

No, you should think. Continental's alliance is also with Lufthansa. That tie is more important than United's. United is one of the founders of the alliance BUT Lufthansa also needs a stonger North American partner to compete against Skyteam. Continental is now carrying more international passengers than United.

 

[ultrarunner]

"Overall, our fleet reduction plans include our entire fleet of 94 B737 aircraft as well as six B747's"

Great, my airport only had ONE mainline flt (737)a day to a hub...rest were RJ's, which I book around...

Time to jump ship again!