United to review new pilot applications starting next week

[xjhawk]

If UNICAL management was smart, they'd get off the dime in negotiations, or at least come up with a MOU to improve the first year pay and insurance situation. They way it is, they're not going to get any experienced pilots to apply. It says something when a company is lowering its standards at the beginning of a hiring wave.

They lower the mins initially so they can cherry pick certain people who they want to take. They will not have a shortage. I was at the job fair and there was what-600-700 people there all for 200-300 United positions and under 100 US Airways positions. And that was just the job fair. While there, with almost 6,000 total and almost 2,000 PIC turbine I was told I would not be competitive for the first wave of hiring and maybe I could land a United job in two years. The situation is bleak enough at enough regionals that a lot of very qualified people are looking to move on. Taking crappy pay and QOL on the short term is way better than dealing with a life at the regionals.

Oh and one more thing-ALPA-. I applaud the work on scope. Flying needs to be at the majors. But this getting rid of the regional planes before the "mass" hiring begins is crappy. Oh and another thing-I like how Delta's ALPA just allows their company to take ALPA flown planes to be given to non ALPA regionals. Why am I paying dues again?

 

[Mad Dog 80]

Who is reviewing the applications the Continental side, the United side or combination?

 

[IAHERJ]

Combination.

 

[labbats]

11+ years at ASA - 4000 hr. CRJ PIC - 11 letters of rec. from current CPOs, past people I flew with that are now @ CAL & a prior capt who is now FAA, nothing bad at all in my history - had my app in since 2007... What else do I need to do to get into the short stack so I can get a call soon?

Sounds like if anyone gets the call it would be you. Just wait a week and see what happens.

 

[NuGuy]

First year pay of $31 or $32 according to WFFF.com. Why does every airline make first year pay seem like a form of hazing????? Plus the added benefit of no health insurance for 6 months here.

Not every airline. DAL starts at $61/hr and full medical from day one.

Nu

 

[Flopgut]

If UNICAL management was smart, they'd get off the dime in negotiations, or at least come up with a MOU to improve the first year pay and insurance situation. They way it is, they're not going to get any experienced pilots to apply. It says something when a company is lowering its standards at the beginning of a hiring wave.

First year pay and lack of insurance is a bad thing, yes. But it's not the only pitfall at the new United. I would not advise anyone take the job until the contract is done. L-UAL outnumber L-CAL and that means scope is probably going to get relaxed even more than it is already. It's very unfortunate, but L-UAL is worried about their side shrinking and will probably vote yes on anything so they can move on to SLI and game their longevity. They'll reason that it can be made up on the next contract, but mgt will just roll out another scenario where the L-UAL concessionists feel squeezed, and they'll vote away more again.

 

[Mad Dog 80]

Thanks for the info IAHERJ.

 

[eaglesview]

First year pay and lack of insurance is a bad thing, yes. But it's not the only pitfall at the new United. I would not advise anyone take the job until the contract is done. L-UAL outnumber L-CAL and that means scope is probably going to get relaxed even more than it is already. It's very unfortunate, but L-UAL is worried about their side shrinking and will probably vote yes on anything so they can move on to SLI and game their longevity. They'll reason that it can be made up on the next contract, but mgt will just roll out another scenario where the L-UAL concessionists feel squeezed, and they'll vote away more again.

In all seriousness, do you believe the things you say or do you just like to stir things up. I have no problem if it's the latter. I believe if you find a bees nest shove a stick up there and stir. For your sake I hope it's not the first. If it is you must have a picture of eeyore on your flight kit.

 

[Flopgut]

Its what is being said in ORD.

 

[eaglesview]

I am based in ORD and have been for 21 years.....never heard any of this.

 

[Flopgut]

I sent you a PM.

Yes. I do believe what I say. Probably sounds slanted the way I write it.

Idk what you've heard, but I'm thinking this is going to need to be voted down.

 

[waterskier]

Can't believe that scope would be relaxed at all. I was hoping that u guys would follow the trend that DAL started with their tightening of scope. Everything I have heard from the outside is that tighter scope is issue number 1.

 

[eaglesview]

Depends on your perspective. I believe from a UAL perspective there will be tighter scope.

 

[pilotyip]

How long before we see the pool posts, with guys taking about being "In the deep end", "treading water", and "moving to the shallow end". Be just like the good ole days on FI in 2000

 

[Chairman]

First year pay and lack of insurance is a bad thing, yes. But it's not the only pitfall at the new United. I would not advise anyone take the job until the contract is done. L-UAL outnumber L-CAL and that means scope is probably going to get relaxed even more than it is already. It's very unfortunate, but L-UAL is worried about their side shrinking and will probably vote yes on anything so they can move on to SLI and game their longevity. They'll reason that it can be made up on the next contract, but mgt will just roll out another scenario where the L-UAL concessionists feel squeezed, and they'll vote away more again.

To be clear the lack of insurance is a CAL thing not UAL thing. All UAL new hires always had insurance and many had plans 100% paid for by UAL. All newhires are hired under the CAL contract until we get this messed cleaned up.

 

[Flopgut]

I'll not vote on anything that doesn't get the insurance deal fixed that CAL ALPA caused. You UAL guys do your part to get this scope disaster fixed that you caused. K? If you hadn't bent over on scope there wouldn't be any furloughed UAL pilots subjected to the insurance problem...

 

[IAHERJ]

I'll not vote on anything that doesn't get the insurance deal fixed that CAL ALPA caused. You UAL guys do your part to get this scope disaster fixed that you caused. K? If you hadn't bent over on scope there wouldn't be any furloughed UAL pilots subjected to the insurance problem...

Amen...

 

[eaglesview]

I'll not vote on anything that doesn't get the insurance deal fixed that CAL ALPA caused. You UAL guys do your part to get this scope disaster fixed that you caused. K? If you hadn't bent over on scope there wouldn't be any furloughed UAL pilots subjected to the insurance problem...

Might depend on how much collateral we had to use to fix the non existant work rules you CAL had K? R.N.

 

[eaglesview]

You got to love folks on either side that do nothing but point fingers like FG. Anyone that thinks either side had a good contract is high.

UAL ALPA had crap scope. CAL ALPA had no work rules and the fore mentioned insurance crap. ALL OF THIS IS ANCIENT HISTORY. Flops, UAL ALPA cannot fix the scope issue no more than CAL can fix the work rules crap. We have a JOINT negotiating commitee. IAHERJ do not fall for inflammatory remarks that at this point are irrelevent. For the record my post above was just a jab at flops.

Now we, all of us, are going to have to wait until we see the contract, read it and vote on it. Why some folks think that anything else is appropriate is beyond me.

 

[ATRCA]

You got to love folks on either side that do nothing but point fingers like FG. Anyone that thinks either side had a good contract is high.

UAL ALPA had crap scope. CAL ALPA had no work rules and the fore mentioned insurance crap. ALL OF THIS IS ANCIENT HISTORY. Flops, UAL ALPA cannot fix the scope issue no more than CAL can fix the work rules crap. We have a JOINT negotiating commitee. IAHERJ do not fall for inflammatory remarks that at this point are irrelevent. For the record my post above was just a jab at flops.

Now we, all of us, are going to have to wait until we see the contract, read it and vote on it. Why some folks think that anything else is appropriate is beyond me.

This!