"United pilots replace vinegar with sugar in talks"

[hockeypilot44]

Yea, I forgot about the NO HATS.......extremely powerful move by Wallach...until the company just put in the FOM that hats were "optional".

Glenns Gotta go? What exactly did that ever do...just a "bitch" board? Yep. I really never saw much happen with the oh so powerful wrist bands that were handed out with the Glenns Gotta go theme.

I am not saying that I am for G.T. but the moves by Wallach to fight Tilton were at best....childish.

Yes work rules were regained for the narrowbodies.....and yes 1300 plus pilots FURLOUGHED....there were things that could have been done to lessen the blow.... and nothing was done.


The injuction was action taken against a "few" that were ruled against due to their stupid decisions.....and the injuction was placed on EVERYONE because of the "few" that acted out....Take it out on them!

Wallach was/is a joke.....

Maybe if there was more unity, the "few" would have been "everyone," more damage would have been done giving your group more leverage, and the injunction would have been placed on "everyone" anyway.

 

[chppr5]

Maybe if there was more unity, the "few" would have been "everyone," more damage would have been done giving your group more leverage, and the injunction would have been placed on "everyone" anyway.

It wasn't a concerted effort and there is no leverage with an injunction no matter how many were involved. Now as a united group our hands are tied.

 

[PHXFLYR]

ALPA in its modern natural habitat: the concession stand

No worries , eastie. Cleary and your fellow goons at USAPA are gonna get it all back for you...with interest!! By the way, get that first paycheck with the "snap-back" rates yet..... ???

PHXFLYR

 

[eaglesview]

No worries , eastie. Cleary and your fellow goons at USAPA are gonna get it all back for you...with interest!! By the way, get that first paycheck with the "snap-back" rates yet..... ???

PHXFLYR

God this is getting old. A thread about the change of "leadership" here at UAL ALPA and still your anti USAPA dribble pours out.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Ah yes, UA ALPA is replacing vinegar with sugar... meanwhile UAL is replacing United Pilots with Aer Lingus.

(insert sarcasm mark) Sounds like the soft approach is just what they need.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Ah yes, UA ALPA is replacing vinegar with sugar... meanwhile UAL is replacing United Pilots with Aer Lingus.

(insert sarcasm mark) Sounds like the soft approach is just what they need.

What do you suggest?

 

[SpauldingSmails]

What do you suggest?

I'm not sure what I'd suggest. Granted I realize a "hat switch" won't fix the problem for those involved either.

Personally, I think that time is of the essence for the pilots at UAL; hopefully for their sake their leader's diplomacy will work. Traditionally, softer stances have not worked out very well for pilot groups.

On a plus side, their new leader was involved with their 2000 negotiations which might prove to be a good omen.

 

[PHXFLYR]

God this is getting old. A thread about the change of "leadership" here at UAL ALPA and still your anti USAPA dribble pours out.

United and leadership...now there's an oxymoron for ya'; both inside and outside the cockpit !!


There ...feel better ?


PHXFLYR

 

[CopilotDoug]

What do you suggest?

Face Reality: Sit back, and quietly prepare for the impending concessions.

 

[Abernathy]

She's going to bake Glenn Tilton a fresh batch of cookies.

 

[contrail67]

Face Reality: Sit back, and quietly prepare for the impending concessions.

I would expect nothing less from a Holiday Inn Platinum member.....

 

[eaglesview]

You peolple have got an entire thread going here on how UAL ALPA has gone for a softer approach based on a report in the MEDIA. Think about it. Quiet resolve is still resolve. The head banger approach was ill fated and did not work. Just because she wants a different approach is not a sign of weakness.

 

[contrail67]

You peolple have got an entire thread going here on how UAL ALPA has gone for a softer approach based on a report in the MEDIA. Think about it. Quiet resolve is still resolve. The head banger approach was ill fated and did not work. Just because she wants a different approach is not a sign of weakness.

you are correct.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I'm not sure what I'd suggest. Granted I realize a "hat switch" won't fix the problem for those involved either.

Personally, I think that time is of the essence for the pilots at UAL; hopefully for their sake their leader's diplomacy will work. Traditionally, softer stances have not worked out very well for pilot groups.

On a plus side, their new leader was involved with their 2000 negotiations which might prove to be a good omen.

The hat switch and Glenn Gotta Go websites are symbolic. At times this is of value (for whom?) but real leverage comes from other areas.

For certain, tough guy attitudes with little leverage only seem to annoy those who have the leverage. In the end the parties sitting at the table of change have to have credibility or progress won't be made. This is the way its always been in politics and section 6, MEC chairman and unionism is nothing but politics. I'd say give Sugar a chance....

 

[Dan Roman]

You peolple have got an entire thread going here on how UAL ALPA has gone for a softer approach based on a report in the MEDIA. Think about it. Quiet resolve is still resolve. The head banger approach was ill fated and did not work. Just because she wants a different approach is not a sign of weakness.

Good post, I'm a little blown away by so many apparently non UAL people chiming in with criticism. Good luck to you guys and hang in there. The more you support your leadership the better off you will be. The more finger pointers from the peanut gallery you have the more time you will waste fighting amongst yourselves.

 

[flygirlqt]

Stockholm syndrome.

 

[CopilotDoug]

I would expect nothing less from a Holiday Inn Platinum member.....

It's not about what I would do, it's what the UAL pilots will do. It's about realistic expectations.

 

[Whataburger]

The hat switch and Glenn Gotta Go websites are symbolic. At times this is of value (for whom?) but real leverage comes from other areas.

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LOL that's what I loved about ALPA. Symbol this, symbol that, Don't wear your hats, Do wear your hats, Wear a black tie, Dont wear a tie, Use this bag sticker......All you get for your 1.85% is a symbol. Just like buying an "Artist Formally Known as Prince" tape.

 

[knowlimits]

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[Whataburger]

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Since you originally said "an," I assume you meant A$$hole. There's a sticker for that!!!! We'll show them. PM me.