"United pilots replace vinegar with sugar in talks"

[contrail67]

Face Reality: Sit back, and quietly prepare for the impending concessions.

I would expect nothing less from a Holiday Inn Platinum member.....

 

[eaglesview]

You peolple have got an entire thread going here on how UAL ALPA has gone for a softer approach based on a report in the MEDIA. Think about it. Quiet resolve is still resolve. The head banger approach was ill fated and did not work. Just because she wants a different approach is not a sign of weakness.

 

[contrail67]

You peolple have got an entire thread going here on how UAL ALPA has gone for a softer approach based on a report in the MEDIA. Think about it. Quiet resolve is still resolve. The head banger approach was ill fated and did not work. Just because she wants a different approach is not a sign of weakness.

you are correct.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I'm not sure what I'd suggest. Granted I realize a "hat switch" won't fix the problem for those involved either.

Personally, I think that time is of the essence for the pilots at UAL; hopefully for their sake their leader's diplomacy will work. Traditionally, softer stances have not worked out very well for pilot groups.

On a plus side, their new leader was involved with their 2000 negotiations which might prove to be a good omen.

The hat switch and Glenn Gotta Go websites are symbolic. At times this is of value (for whom?) but real leverage comes from other areas.

For certain, tough guy attitudes with little leverage only seem to annoy those who have the leverage. In the end the parties sitting at the table of change have to have credibility or progress won't be made. This is the way its always been in politics and section 6, MEC chairman and unionism is nothing but politics. I'd say give Sugar a chance....

 

[Dan Roman]

You peolple have got an entire thread going here on how UAL ALPA has gone for a softer approach based on a report in the MEDIA. Think about it. Quiet resolve is still resolve. The head banger approach was ill fated and did not work. Just because she wants a different approach is not a sign of weakness.

Good post, I'm a little blown away by so many apparently non UAL people chiming in with criticism. Good luck to you guys and hang in there. The more you support your leadership the better off you will be. The more finger pointers from the peanut gallery you have the more time you will waste fighting amongst yourselves.

 

[flygirlqt]

Stockholm syndrome.

 

[CopilotDoug]

I would expect nothing less from a Holiday Inn Platinum member.....

It's not about what I would do, it's what the UAL pilots will do. It's about realistic expectations.

 

[Whataburger]

The hat switch and Glenn Gotta Go websites are symbolic. At times this is of value (for whom?) but real leverage comes from other areas.

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LOL that's what I loved about ALPA. Symbol this, symbol that, Don't wear your hats, Do wear your hats, Wear a black tie, Dont wear a tie, Use this bag sticker......All you get for your 1.85% is a symbol. Just like buying an "Artist Formally Known as Prince" tape.

 

[knowlimits]

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[Whataburger]

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Since you originally said "an," I assume you meant A$$hole. There's a sticker for that!!!! We'll show them. PM me.

 

[PHXFLYR]

She's going to bake Glenn Tilton a fresh batch of cookies.

Cookies ??? Heck, that's nothing . The "Grivence Granny " over at USAPA is busy knitting a sweater for Parker, all from the comfort of her own home and on USAPA's dime.


PHXFLYR

 

[eaglesview]

Cookies ??? Heck, that's nothing . The "Grivence Granny " over at USAPA is busy knitting a sweater for Parker, all from the comfort of her own home and on USAPA's dime.


PHXFLYR

What's the matter, ran out of room on the other threads to continue your AWA/USAir dribble

 

[CopilotDoug]

Think about it. Quiet resolve is still resolve.

Eagle...short of a work stoppage, what leverage does the pilot group have? Management has resolve, too. Whether the MEC chair is sweet as pie to Tilton or not doesn't make a difference: At the end of the day, Glen has business to run (into the ground)

 

[PHXFLYR]

What's the matter, ran out of room on the other threads to continue your AWA/USAir dribble

Tell you what, brain surgeon. I'll steer clear of the United threads and you steer clear of the USAirways threads. Deal ?

PHXFLYR

 

[eaglesview]

Eagle...short of a work stoppage, what leverage does the pilot group have? Management has resolve, too. Whether the MEC chair is sweet as pie to Tilton or not doesn't make a difference: At the end of the day, Glen has business to run (into the ground)

I don't even think we have the leverage of a work stoppage. I would say if push comes to shove management will be happy to lock us out. Between the thousands of RJ pilots that United would be able to attract and God only knows how many pilots are out there that ALPA has turned their back on, United knows they wouldn't miss us.

Our only chance is to stay on the property (again assuming no lock out) and work from there.

 

[eaglesview]

Tell you what, brain surgeon. I'll steer clear of the United threads and you steer clear of the USAirways threads. Deal ?

PHXFLYR

I sir am know brain sugeon, surely you have been able to figure that out by now.

Lets see East cheated and screwed the west, West are greedy bastards that played by the rules and want their "rightful" seniority. USAPA sucks ALPA lost Tiger cheated on his wife, OJ is in jail, Britney is clueless ect ect ect

News flash, we have all heard the story.

 

[UALRATT]

I don't even think we have the leverage of a work stoppage. I would say if push comes to shove management will be happy to lock us out.

No, that is just what scares you the most, and BTW the type they prefer working in the fields. Glenn's own words to me...

 

[CopilotDoug]

I don't even think we have the leverage of a work stoppage. I would say if push comes to shove management will be happy to lock us out. Between the thousands of RJ pilots that United would be able to attract and God only knows how many pilots are out there that ALPA has turned their back on, United knows they wouldn't miss us.

Our only chance is to stay on the property (again assuming no lock out) and work from there.

A work stoppage, IMO, would be all but an impossibility. Unless there is absolutely no flying done, it would not be effective (NWA mechanic quasi-strike comes to mind). Out of fear of being implicated in the mess (and sued) ALPA would be pushing the pilots to get back to work.

It's a shame because if there was a pilot group that could inspire everyone else to "just say no" to management, it would be the UAL guys.