United may ground 757-300 and 767-200 to curb fuel cost

[jonjuan]

Doesn't matter what price oil is; I believe Jeff's idea is to merge these large corporations, make a tone of money for himself, widdle down their size to ultra "efficiency", use this spike in oil as leverage with unions, get the stock price up as, and bail the feak out. Move on to corporate board seats, open his own firm, show up to first of the week meetings for coffee & donuts, and count the money his family will live on for generations. We'll be smaller than AA in 3 years.

Any chance I'm kind of close on this scenario?

Scary prognosis, but i wouldn't put it past him. "Shrink to profitability" or put another way, "shrink to retirement"

 

[JI Gone OH]

We'll be smaller than AA in 3 years.

Any chance I'm kind of close on this scenario?

Have you ever heard Jeff describe the new United as the world's "LARGEST" airline? I haven't, and I'll bet you haven't either... He always uses the word "leading." Leading?! Really?! What in the h*ll does that mean? My theory is that he avoids using it because although we might be the world's largest airline today, that's not his plan for us long term. He's so arrogant that he thinks he's going to be able to outsource more mainline flying, allowing him to shrink the number of airplanes/pilots at the mainline level and have the 70's flown by the regionals. Keep dreaming Buddy. One thing I can assure you Jeff is that when the negotiations for a JCBA are complete, your pilots will have an industry "LEADING" contract with an industry "LEADING" Scope clause. How's that for your little play on words...

 

[FlyForFood_NOT]

Ignorance is a bliss Mr Smisek.. all it would take is to share the profit of gas savings with the pilots (who are actually the ones deciding to fire one or two pipes back there while taxing) and right away the results would show. But no, CAL trips over quarters to pick up dimes.. as usual.
I see it on daily basis where two pipes are burning while taxing, just inspite of Smisek's disrespect for employees.. Why should i care? Let it burn. Less bonuses for management. It's not like i see any of it anyways- 2010 profit sharing was a pathetic 10% of companys entire income. What a joke.. FUPM, really FUPM

 

[AA717driver]

We'll be smaller than AA in 3 years.

No you won't. AA will 'shrink to match' its competitors. 250 MD80's and the same number of 50-seat RJ's=plenty of room to shrink.

TC

 

[Uncle Bort]

I certainly agree that we need to limit speculation, but the problem lies in that oil is traded on a global, not a local, market. We can limit speculation to the hilt here in the USA but the Brits, French, Germans, Ad nausium will continue to cause price shifts in a speculative ferver. Whats needed is for OPEC to be dissolved and price competition to brought to the market.

And is traded in dollars, the value of which is declining precipitously.

 

[Jetjockey]

It's the author of the article who is speculating on the types of aircraft will "cull" from the fleet. Out of 1200 aircraft, I think the days are numbered for many 50 seat regional jets. Scope is what they are after.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

I seem to recall Delta having a no furlough clause or something like that...
This is coming from the guy I was flying with in a Jetstream 31...AFTER he got furloughed from Delta. Guess that "language" didn't work out so good for that guy. It's been done before...

- Just saying -

That's what you get with a no furlough clause without "teeth." It has to cost them dearly to furlough, which was accomplished with the merger JCBA.

Otherwise, I have no doubt they would have tried it again. Hopefully UA/CA groups are smart enough to put teeth into the no furlough clause...

 

[whatitdoing?]

People, please educate yourselves. They won't and can't furlough. Why not use the Middle East turmoil and oil speculation right before the end game of our negotiations? It's perfectly timed and I'd fault management for not taking advantage of it. United's fuel costs aren't limited to United, but as an industry whole. They're using big numbers like 25 grand a minute, 4 billion annually, and a 748 paid for every month.. It's big numbers from the worlds largest airline. They don't talk about their revenue or how they've raised prices to match the increase. They'll post a lost this quarter and probably all year because they're in a battle to get another concessionary contract. They're up against a pissed off pilot group that won't fold anymore. The company saviors are outnumbered and the company knows this. If you don't think they've done research on who's who and where people live and how long people have till retirement, you're INSANE. In fact, just resign and blow bubbles for the rest of your life. If they park all the 735's, fine!!! I'm tired of loading up everything and smelling decaying Starbuck's breakfast buns on the floor. Maybe it'll right size this pilot group for once. Our CEO is unfortunately another Lorenzo and has come to divide this pilot group while collecting his millions all the while receiving praise for starting the world's leading airline at concessionary rates. But it ain't happening. FUPM..........

 

[Glacialfury1906]

People, please educate yourselves. They won't and can't furlough. Why not use the Middle East turmoil and oil speculation right before the end game of our negotiations? It's perfectly timed and I'd fault management for not taking advantage of it. United's fuel costs aren't limited to United, but as an industry whole. They're using big numbers like 25 grand a minute, 4 billion annually, and a 748 paid for every month.. It's big numbers from the worlds largest airline. They don't talk about their revenue or how they've raised prices to match the increase. They'll post a lost this quarter and probably all year because they're in a battle to get another concessionary contract. They're up against a pissed off pilot group that won't fold anymore. The company saviors are outnumbered and the company knows this. If you don't think they've done research on who's who and where people live and how long people have till retirement, you're INSANE. In fact, just resign and blow bubbles for the rest of your life. If they park all the 735's, fine!!! I'm tired of loading up everything and smelling decaying Starbuck's breakfast buns on the floor. Maybe it'll right size this pilot group for once. Our CEO is unfortunately another Lorenzo and has come to divide this pilot group while collecting his millions all the while receiving praise for starting the world's leading airline at concessionary rates. But it ain't happening. FUPM..........

What he said... Keep your eyes open folks. In the words of the immortal Flava Flav, "Don't believe the hype",......from anybody....

 

[Jetjockey]

Give up more domestic UAL. SWA, Virgin America, and Spirit would welcome the news. If UAL can't compete, maybe they should hire those managers, they seem to know how to make it work.

 

[SoCentralRain]

Just to clarify: United got rid of their 767-200's back in the early 2000's. And we all know what happened to United's 737-500's. It seems to me the cuts, if they do come, are from the CAL side of the house.

Regardless, parking aircraft sucks.

SCR

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Good luck UAL/CAL folks.....you got a fight on your hands.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Fight we will...we win or we shut it down.

 

[Skippy]

Thats such bs talk.
What did u do when they parked 100? Nothing. Exactly.
What will u do when they park the 737-500's. Exactly- nothing.
Ual will park them its not if but when. Ual uses any bad news in the world to claim foul and continue to institute the overall plan - which appear to be. Grow as mch as possible domestically with rj's. And let cal and ual do limited narrowbody stuff while feeding their intl ops and increasing codeshares while reducing risk/ exposure.

Strike? Never gonna happen
Jcba? Take at min another year
Scope? Highly doubt there will be any gains in that arena
Suck? Yep
Furloughs? Probably more and extended to those currently out
Mec? No clue
Tpa? Not worth a crap

Need i continue?

Skippy

 

[Flopgut]

Good luck UAL/CAL folks.....you got a fight on your hands.

Thanks! We need it.

Hey Skippy: We just won an arbitration that's costing Jeff about 60 mil a month....

 

[Jetjockey]

Thats such bs talk.
What did u do when they parked 100? Nothing. Exactly.
What will u do when they park the 737-500's. Exactly- nothing.
Ual will park them its not if but when. Ual uses any bad news in the world to claim foul and continue to institute the overall plan - which appear to be. Grow as mch as possible domestically with rj's. And let cal and ual do limited narrowbody stuff while feeding their intl ops and increasing codeshares while reducing risk/ exposure.

Strike? Never gonna happen
Jcba? Take at min another year
Scope? Highly doubt there will be any gains in that arena
Suck? Yep
Furloughs? Probably more and extended to those currently out
Mec? No clue
Tpa? Not worth a crap

Need i continue?

Skippy

Skippy an airline pilot, and just an internet troll?

That's obvious

 

[xjhawk]

Hey United pilots (you too Delta). None of the smart regional pilots want anymore 70 seat flying and we definitly do not want 100-130 seat flying at the regional level. Fight the good fight and do not let pay increases for your wide body fleet temp you! Oh a little disclaimer-we hate the idiots who are excited about regional growth at the expense of jobs at the majors

 

[Skippy]

Thanks! We need it.

Hey Skippy: We just won an arbitration that's costing Jeff about 60 mil a month....

jeffy makes more than that a month NOT having a JCBA-- so again why would they want to get a deal done--- synergies?--- not wanting a bifurcated pilot group?-- you been listening to the MEC message too long.

where do u get ur figures--- and is that still stopping them from the ol' in and out of CAL hubs? ummmm nope.

UAL will never get back 70 seat flying-- they can really only hope to reduce it as a platform to get the 90 seat flying-- but trying to entice UAL to let mainline fly the 90 seaters when the 70seat RJ pilots/companies are already qualified thru a common type is just poppycock!

not a troll, just a realist

 

[Kugelblitz]

Thats such bs talk.
What did u do when they parked 100? Nothing. Exactly.
What will u do when they park the 737-500's. Exactly- nothing.
Ual will park them its not if but when. Ual uses any bad news in the world to claim foul and continue to institute the overall plan - which appear to be. Grow as mch as possible domestically with rj's. And let cal and ual do limited narrowbody stuff while feeding their intl ops and increasing codeshares while reducing risk/ exposure.

Strike? Never gonna happen
Jcba? Take at min another year
Scope? Highly doubt there will be any gains in that arena
Suck? Yep
Furloughs? Probably more and extended to those currently out
Mec? No clue
Tpa? Not worth a crap

Need i continue?

Skippy

Skippy:

Total Time: 0

Aircraft Flown: Cessna 172

Wannabe: Yep

Irrelevancy: High

Now pardon me, I am going onto the Quantum Mechanist website and commenting on how poor their working agreement is with management at the Cern Collider in Geneva and how they have no hope for a better deal. Then I will tell them how dumb they are for not finding the Graviton particle by now.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Skippy. You don't get it. Go back to your Microsoft FS 2000 and enjoy flying your 172. Meanwhile let us worry about getting our scope, pay, furloughs, retirement, work rules back where they should be. More furloughs?...IDIOT we will lose 1.5 guys a day minimum for over 3 years starting next year. We will strike over scope there is NO DOUBT over that. The company is not playing ball at the negotiating table and it's just a matter of time before we get our 30 day cooling off period. Either we get the total package or we shut it down.