United may ground 757-300 and 767-200 to curb fuel cost

[SoCentralRain]

Just to clarify: United got rid of their 767-200's back in the early 2000's. And we all know what happened to United's 737-500's. It seems to me the cuts, if they do come, are from the CAL side of the house.

Regardless, parking aircraft sucks.

SCR

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Good luck UAL/CAL folks.....you got a fight on your hands.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Fight we will...we win or we shut it down.

 

[Skippy]

Thats such bs talk.
What did u do when they parked 100? Nothing. Exactly.
What will u do when they park the 737-500's. Exactly- nothing.
Ual will park them its not if but when. Ual uses any bad news in the world to claim foul and continue to institute the overall plan - which appear to be. Grow as mch as possible domestically with rj's. And let cal and ual do limited narrowbody stuff while feeding their intl ops and increasing codeshares while reducing risk/ exposure.

Strike? Never gonna happen
Jcba? Take at min another year
Scope? Highly doubt there will be any gains in that arena
Suck? Yep
Furloughs? Probably more and extended to those currently out
Mec? No clue
Tpa? Not worth a crap

Need i continue?

Skippy

 

[Flopgut]

Good luck UAL/CAL folks.....you got a fight on your hands.

Thanks! We need it.

Hey Skippy: We just won an arbitration that's costing Jeff about 60 mil a month....

 

[Jetjockey]

Thats such bs talk.
What did u do when they parked 100? Nothing. Exactly.
What will u do when they park the 737-500's. Exactly- nothing.
Ual will park them its not if but when. Ual uses any bad news in the world to claim foul and continue to institute the overall plan - which appear to be. Grow as mch as possible domestically with rj's. And let cal and ual do limited narrowbody stuff while feeding their intl ops and increasing codeshares while reducing risk/ exposure.

Strike? Never gonna happen
Jcba? Take at min another year
Scope? Highly doubt there will be any gains in that arena
Suck? Yep
Furloughs? Probably more and extended to those currently out
Mec? No clue
Tpa? Not worth a crap

Need i continue?

Skippy

Skippy an airline pilot, and just an internet troll?

That's obvious

 

[xjhawk]

Hey United pilots (you too Delta). None of the smart regional pilots want anymore 70 seat flying and we definitly do not want 100-130 seat flying at the regional level. Fight the good fight and do not let pay increases for your wide body fleet temp you! Oh a little disclaimer-we hate the idiots who are excited about regional growth at the expense of jobs at the majors

 

[Skippy]

Thanks! We need it.

Hey Skippy: We just won an arbitration that's costing Jeff about 60 mil a month....

jeffy makes more than that a month NOT having a JCBA-- so again why would they want to get a deal done--- synergies?--- not wanting a bifurcated pilot group?-- you been listening to the MEC message too long.

where do u get ur figures--- and is that still stopping them from the ol' in and out of CAL hubs? ummmm nope.

UAL will never get back 70 seat flying-- they can really only hope to reduce it as a platform to get the 90 seat flying-- but trying to entice UAL to let mainline fly the 90 seaters when the 70seat RJ pilots/companies are already qualified thru a common type is just poppycock!

not a troll, just a realist

 

[Kugelblitz]

Thats such bs talk.
What did u do when they parked 100? Nothing. Exactly.
What will u do when they park the 737-500's. Exactly- nothing.
Ual will park them its not if but when. Ual uses any bad news in the world to claim foul and continue to institute the overall plan - which appear to be. Grow as mch as possible domestically with rj's. And let cal and ual do limited narrowbody stuff while feeding their intl ops and increasing codeshares while reducing risk/ exposure.

Strike? Never gonna happen
Jcba? Take at min another year
Scope? Highly doubt there will be any gains in that arena
Suck? Yep
Furloughs? Probably more and extended to those currently out
Mec? No clue
Tpa? Not worth a crap

Need i continue?

Skippy

Skippy:

Total Time: 0

Aircraft Flown: Cessna 172

Wannabe: Yep

Irrelevancy: High

Now pardon me, I am going onto the Quantum Mechanist website and commenting on how poor their working agreement is with management at the Cern Collider in Geneva and how they have no hope for a better deal. Then I will tell them how dumb they are for not finding the Graviton particle by now.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Skippy. You don't get it. Go back to your Microsoft FS 2000 and enjoy flying your 172. Meanwhile let us worry about getting our scope, pay, furloughs, retirement, work rules back where they should be. More furloughs?...IDIOT we will lose 1.5 guys a day minimum for over 3 years starting next year. We will strike over scope there is NO DOUBT over that. The company is not playing ball at the negotiating table and it's just a matter of time before we get our 30 day cooling off period. Either we get the total package or we shut it down.

 

[Skippy]

you guys are hilarious

sorry i havent updated my Flight profile/resume lately.
11,000 hours, 9 type ratings and furloughed from UAL, currently employed and make more flying a f'n beechjet than if i were still at the U-- how sad is that?--- now am i an expert? Now can I bitch?

thanks for the laugh

SKIPPY

 

[Skippy]

they MAY or they MAY NOT

ATA Smart Brief (13Mar11) wrote:
United may ground 44 aircraft as oil prices rise

United Continental may ground its fleet of Boeing 737-500 and 767-200ER aircraft in an attempt to offset rising oil prices, CEO Jeff Smisek said Friday. The company has 34 of the narrow-body planes and 10 of the wide-bodies, with an average age of 15 and 9.8 years, respectively. Regarding high oil prices, Smisek said, "I feel a bit like a pinata at a 10-year-old's birthday party." Grounding fuel-inefficient aircraft would be a step in fighting oil costs for United Continental, which announced March 7 that capacity will remain flat for 2011; earlier plans had called for a 1% to 2% capacity increase

 

[Ex737Driver]

ATA Smart Brief (13Mar11) wrote:
United may ground 44 aircraft as oil prices rise

United Continental may ground its fleet of Boeing 737-500 and 767-200ER aircraft in an attempt to offset rising oil prices, CEO Jeff Smisek said Friday. The company has 34 of the narrow-body planes and 10 of the wide-bodies, with an average age of 15 and 9.8 years, respectively. Regarding high oil prices, Smisek said, "I feel a bit like a pinata at a 10-year-old's birthday party." Grounding fuel-inefficient aircraft would be a step in fighting oil costs for United Continental, which announced March 7 that capacity will remain flat for 2011; earlier plans had called for a 1% to 2% capacity increase

Still gotta pay the leases whether they fly or not. Sitting and making no money or flying and losing some money or making a few bucks here and there. The argument is moot as this is nothing more than the same ploy they used to rush C02 down our throats. Park them, don't park them. We will see you at the end of the TPA at the grand opening of USAir number 2 on November 1st.

 

[Flopgut]

Skippy: I'd be a doubter too if I was in your shoes. Glad that you've got a flying job. No more Paul W types around unilaterally selling out what's left of the contract. If Jeff can't pull this off he'll get replaced. His own arrogance is what we're going to leverage our efforts on. The mediator knows he's not negotiating in good faith. Jeff is betting we won't get released but I think he's wrong. 12 months? Sounds about right but that's when we'll be walking IMHO. This threat to park airplanes is typical CAL mgt negotiating.

 

[Jetjockey]

you guys are hilarious

sorry i havent updated my Flight profile/resume lately.
11,000 hours, 9 type ratings and furloughed from UAL, currently employed and make more flying a f'n beechjet than if i were still at the U-- how sad is that?--- now am i an expert? Now can I bitch?

thanks for the laugh

SKIPPY

Enjoy your beechjet. Besides slinging mud at ALPA, what's your point?

You also though Spirit pilots would cave on their strike and management would fail.

 

[Jetjockey]

ATA Smart Brief (13Mar11) wrote:
United may ground 44 aircraft as oil prices rise

United Continental may ground its fleet of Boeing 737-500 and 767-200ER aircraft in an attempt to offset rising oil prices, CEO Jeff Smisek said Friday. The company has 34 of the narrow-body planes and 10 of the wide-bodies, with an average age of 15 and 9.8 years, respectively. Regarding high oil prices, Smisek said, "I feel a bit like a pinata at a 10-year-old's birthday party." Grounding fuel-inefficient aircraft would be a step in fighting oil costs for United Continental, which announced March 7 that capacity will remain flat for 2011; earlier plans had called for a 1% to 2% capacity increase

That was author's speculation, not the company word. I'm not saying that couldn't happen but a big assumption at this point. I still speculate that since over 50% of the domestic reduction will come from regional flying, the 50 seaters with the highest CASM will depart first.

 

[Skippy]

Enjoy your beechjet. Besides slinging mud at ALPA, what's your point?

You also though Spirit pilots would cave on their strike and management would fail.

Actually i said on 5/13/10. Guess i was wrong--- but please dont compare the size and power of the two completely different airlines. And if you want to take it further--- what did spirit accomplish after the strike-- IE what did they gain-- their contract is pretty schitty anyway-- so let me answer not much-- trust me that week off or so has already been made up in profit-- they have they highest profit margin in the airline business. what to know why they dont publish the before and after? BC after the strike people cant come back and say " we've been striking for a week and this is all we've gained? Only has to pass by 51%


05-13-2010, 02:05 #3 Skippy
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Well pilots rejected proffer may 5. So soundS more like a 37 day coolong off period.
Spirit mgmnt will cave at the 12 th hour





SLINGING MUD AT ALPA? sorry being an elected rep for 6 years i think i've earned the right to judge the performance of things alpa related

 

[nimtz]

Gee Skippy I don't know WTF that last post was exactly, but try to avoid the bottle before tearing into Unical ALPA as a weak structure.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Or UAL could just raise ticket prices.

 

[Uncle Bort]

Give up more domestic UAL. SWA, Virgin America, and Spirit would welcome the news. If UAL can't compete, maybe they should hire those managers, they seem to know how to make it work.

Exactly! Jeff needs an intership at SWA.

 

[Skippy]

exclusive footage of jeffy meeting glen for the very first time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygd4qAZ_Jo0&feature=related

 

[SoCentralRain]

Or UAL could just raise ticket prices.

They already did that, John.

SCR

 

[Jetjockey]

They already did that, John.

SCR

Actually there have been 7 airfare bumps this year already. Then again, my job is to fly the plane. We have Ivy league geniuses to make the big decisions and they get paid 100's of millions of dollars to do so, even if they are dead wrong.

The longer I'm in this industry the more I believe it's a giant pyramid scheme.

 

[sstearns2]

That was author's speculation, not the company word. I'm not saying that couldn't happen but a big assumption at this point. I still speculate that since over 50% of the domestic reduction will come from regional flying, the 50 seaters with the highest CASM will depart first.

Wouldn't the airlines all be fly A380s if CASM is what really mattered?

The RJs are everywhere because their cost to revenue per seat is better than a larger airplane. You can keep the ticket prices pretty high when you only have to sell 50 seats.

Scott

 

[bluechunks]

Wouldn't the airlines all be fly A380s if CASM is what really mattered?

The RJs are everywhere because their cost to revenue per seat is better than a larger airplane. You can keep the ticket prices pretty high when you only have to sell 50 seats.

Sort of.

The original economic justification for RJ's was based upon $25-$30 oil. At $100 it's pretty hard not get upside down on the RASM/CASM curve with the mighty RJ. There will always be certain markets (or time of day frequencies) where 50-70 seats is the perfect size but there is a very good reason why every single major airline is in the process of downsizing their "express" fleets.

Besides, as the domestic market matures any capacity-limited RASM advantage vaporizes when somebody else parks a 737 at the next gate.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Did you say 737...you mean the 70 seat guppy killer can't finish the job?

 

[bluechunks]

Did you say 737...you mean the 70 seat guppy killer can't finish the job?

Everybody knows you can't make money flying a 737 domestically. Especially 737-300/500's.

Oh wait...

 

[Jetjockey]

Southwest loves RJs, (painted in competitor's colors). Like printing money. Not hard to compete against a low quality, high CASM regional operator. If given the choice with me paying, I'd fly Southwest versus sitting on an RJ. Over 50% of domsetic flying is being outsourced to regional airlines,. Southwest is kicking legacy airline butt domestically. Coincidence? You be the judge.

Just look at the Allegiant business model. By pass hubs and capture traffic that would be forced to ride on an RJ to a hub. I saw a map of the USA when they had 9 airplanes, They identified over 300 cities under served by mainline type jets, with only RJ service to hubs. Fast forward to today, 40 plus airframes and growing.