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United may ground 757-300 and 767-200 to curb fuel cost

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-11/united-may-ground-757-300s-767-200s-to-reduce-fuel-use-1-.html

United Continental Holdings Inc. (UAL), which burns $25,000 of fuel every minute, may ground its Boeing Co. (BA) 737-500 and 767-200ER jets to cut consumption as costs rise.

Culling less-efficient models from a fleet of more than 1,200 planes is among steps under study at the Chicago-based carrier, Chief Executive Officer Jeff Smisek said today. United announced March 7 it would pare planned growth in 2011 seating capacity, which Smisek said won’t require layoffs.

The price of jet fuel, one of airlines’ largest costs, has risen 28 percent this year, prompting United to join Delta Air Lines Inc. and AMR Corp.’s American Airlines in paring 2011 growth plans. Smisek said fuel accounts for about 40 percent of operating expenses at United, the world’s largest carrier.

“We can’t just hold our heads in our hands and cry and scream” in reaction to higher fuel prices, he said during a speech at a Houston energy conference today.

Jet fuel for immediate delivery in New York harbor rose 9.4 cents to $3.30 a gallon today. United fell 9 cents to $24.86 at 1:39 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading.

The airline has 34 737-500s with an average age of 15 years, and 10 767-200ERs that are an average 9.8 years old. Both are twin-engine models, and the 737s are single-aisle planes, while the 767s are wide-bodies.

Efficiency Gains

United also is looking at other opportunities to reduce fuel use across its fleet, said Smisek, who offered the $25,000- a-minute example in his remarks at CERAWeek, a conference held by IHS Cambridge Energy Research Associates. Fuel consumption exceeds 4 billion gallons year, he said.

Efficiency gains may come from steps such as expanding the practice of taxiing while using one engine, Smisek said.

Seating capacity this year will be unchanged, down from a forecast of 1 percent to 2 percent growth, United said this week. Domestic capacity will fall as much as 2.5 percent, while international will rise as much as 3.5 percent, United said.

The biggest U.S. airlines have raised fares six times this year across their networks. Some carriers, including JetBlue Airways Corp., also have boosted fees for optional goods and services to help offset the higher fuel costs.

United Continental was formed in October in a $3.47 billion merger between United Airlines parent UAL Corp. and Houston- based Continental Airlines. The two airlines will maintain separate flight operations until the parent company receives a single operating certificate from federal regulators.
 
Yikes- are there any flowback rights to their regionals should smisek furlough?
 
10 out of 9 pilots are dyslexic. I make 11.

I just had the 75 fleet on the brain.
 
"Efficiency gains may come from steps such as expanding the practice of taxiing while using one engine, Smisek said."
 
10 out of 9 pilots are dyslexic. I make 11.

I just had the 75 fleet on the brain.

That's ok, just checking. I think your 762ERs are pretty new, so that is surprising. I sort of understand the 735s too. Let's hope oil goes down a bit and that doesn't happen.


OYS
 
As soon as they park em, oil will drop back to 70 bucks a barrel and they will be caught, yet again, with their pants down.

I have an idea, how bout change the business model to operate on $100 barrel oil instead of a pipe dream $50 barrel oil and things might actually get moving for a change.
 
No furlough clause for one year AFTER the operational merger (JCBA, SLI, & SOC) per the tp &a.


I seem to recall Delta having a no furlough clause or something like that...
This is coming from the guy I was flying with in a Jetstream 31...AFTER he got furloughed from Delta. Guess that "language" didn't work out so good for that guy. It's been done before...

- Just saying -
 
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As soon as they park em, oil will drop back to 70 bucks a barrel and they will be caught, yet again, with their pants down.

I have an idea, how bout change the business model to operate on $100 barrel oil instead of a pipe dream $50 barrel oil and things might actually get moving for a change.

FCKU NO!! They have unlimited use of 70 seaters, they will not get caught with their pants down, didn't last time either. Last time was to "RIGHT SIZE FOR THE MERGER"----glenn tilton. Those recalled pilots at CO better not be investing in much more than their bank accounts!! and be polishing up that resume, cause, "BOHICA PART DEUX" is on the way!!! (speaking from experience)!!!
 
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I have an idea, how bout change the business model to operate on $100 barrel oil instead of a pipe dream $50 barrel oil and things might actually get moving for a change.

Sounds good. Just start charging pax double- problem solved.
 
Heard one of the Saudi Princes on CNBC yesterday say that the supply of oil right now dictates $85/barrel, not the $105 it is trading at. The speculators of Wall Street are playing their games again.
 
Heard one of the Saudi Princes on CNBC yesterday say that the supply of oil right now dictates $85/barrel, not the $105 it is trading at. The speculators of Wall Street are playing their games again.

So now we're believing saudi "princes?" :rolleyes:
 
Fear and speculation by Wall Street is driving the price of oil up, not supply and demand.

Oil went up close to 20% in a 2-3 week period. $88 to $105. The world demand had not changed that much. This was happening before the middle east unrest. Wall Street took advantage of the news hype and lots of fast money was made, and now we are paying for it at the pump, and our companies are paying for it as well.

So yes, when a prince of Saudi Arabia says the price does not match the supply, I believe him.
 
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SM,
Good job with the Oliver Stone conspiracy theory! Blame it all on the "Street" and the rich oil speculators. Haven't you seen the lines 1/2 mile long waiting at the pumps? I've been limited to 10 gallons during each purchase...just like the early 70s oil embargo. The Arabs have us by the balls again! The prince is just laughing all the way to the bank! Hope sarcasm was noted?

Only lines I've seen were for the cheap gas. Funny how we, as in the government, can't put regulations in place for strategic assets...such as people who purposely drive the price of fuel to their advantage. But that would go against every capitalistic/democratic belief which founded this country. I'm thinking the people who cause the price increases have no worries as to how it will affect them! But you know releasing some of our strategic reserve will fix everything...right?

D
 
SM,
Good job with the Oliver Stone conspiracy theory! Blame it all on the "Street" and the rich oil speculators. Haven't you seen the lines 1/2 mile long waiting at the pumps? I've been limited to 10 gallons during each purchase...just like the early 70s oil embargo. The Arabs have us by the balls again! The prince is just laughing all the way to the bank! Hope sarcasm was noted?

Only lines I've seen were for the cheap gas. Funny how we, as in the government, can't put regulations in place for strategic assets...such as people who purposely drive the price of fuel to their advantage. But that would go against every capitalistic/democratic belief which founded this country. I'm thinking the people who cause the price increases have no worries as to how it will affect them! But you know releasing some of our strategic reserve will fix everything...right?

D

I certainly agree that we need to limit speculation, but the problem lies in that oil is traded on a global, not a local, market. We can limit speculation to the hilt here in the USA but the Brits, French, Germans, Ad nausium will continue to cause price shifts in a speculative ferver. Whats needed is for OPEC to be dissolved and price competition to brought to the market.
 
As soon as they park em, oil will drop back to 70 bucks a barrel and they will be caught, yet again, with their pants down.

Don't worry all the "C" level and Director level guys will all share 40 or 50 million dollar bonuses!
 
Doesn't matter what price oil is; I believe Jeff's idea is to merge these large corporations, make a tone of money for himself, widdle down their size to ultra "efficiency", use this spike in oil as leverage with unions, get the stock price up as, and bail the feak out. Move on to corporate board seats, open his own firm, show up to first of the week meetings for coffee & donuts, and count the money his family will live on for generations. We'll be smaller than AA in 3 years.

Any chance I'm kind of close on this scenario?
 

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