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Delta - "Galactically stupid on fuel hedging!"

http://fortune.com/2014/06/02/secret-club-kate-kelly/

"Delta earlier in October, the carrier indicated that it will incur another $350 million in special charges in the third quarter due to a negative impact from fuel hedge settlements."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspe...g-performance/

One-time items for Delta Airlines - Bad fuel hedges costs DAL 1/3 of a billion dollars in the 3rd quarter on 2014.

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/f70...Air Lines/id-1d3a87d506e0446a94b4225c91e9ea1b

When fuel costs drop, Delta Airlines and United Airlines lose millions!!! AAG does NOT hedge.
 
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I guess that's why it's called a hedge, and not a sure thing.
 

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Delta - "Galactically stupid on fuel hedging!"

http://fortune.com/2014/06/02/secret-club-kate-kelly/

"Delta earlier in October, the carrier indicated that it will incur another $350 million in special charges in the third quarter due to a negative impact from fuel hedge settlements."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspe...g-performance/

One-time items for Delta Airlines - Bad fuel hedges costs DAL 1/3 of a billion dollars in the 3rd quarter on 2014.

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/f70...Air Lines/id-1d3a87d506e0446a94b4225c91e9ea1b

When fuel costs drop, Delta Airlines and United Airlines lose millions!!! AAG does NOT hedge.


WOW, you are the all knowing...As for your previous posts of ongoing negotiations and your optimism as to the outcome, you must have an influential position with APA as a sub-USAirways guy. Negotiations, as you know it, may be a little different with a mediator at the table who acts more as an arbitrator. But as for your assertions as to HUGE growth at AAG, hedging strategies and knowlege of what the new contract will look like are definitely entertaining....
 
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WOW, you are the all knowing...As for your previous posts of ongoing negotiations and your optimism as to the outcome, you must have an influential position with APA as a sub-USAirways guy. Negotiations, as you know it, may be a little different with a mediator at the table who acts more as an arbitrator. But as for your assertions as to HUGE growth at AAG, hedging strategies and knowlege of what the new contract will look like are definitely entertaining....

I am glad to be your muse. Do a little research and then get back to us with some beneficial information. Regardless of my path to AA, I have given much information relevant to a prospective pilot who aspires to make it to one of the big 3. You, on the the other hand...not so much. By the way, there are 3 arbitrators who will determine the SLI and not one as you've stated. Get your facts straight and you might gain some credibility.
 

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I am glad to be your muse. Do a little research and then get back to us with some beneficial information. Regardless of my path to AA, I have given much information relevant to a prospective pilot who aspires to make it to one of the big 3. You, on the the other hand...not so much. By the way, there are 3 arbitrators who will determine the SLI and not one as you've stated. Get your facts straight and you might gain some credibility.

I never mentioned the SLI! The mediator I refered to may be the one who sits at the negotiating table. That mediator will act more as an arbitrator in negotiations with the largest airline in the world with no chance of release for the APA.... So you may want to keep those expectations at bay. The UAL contract was valued more than the DAL contract in the eyes of the mediator.......we all know how that worked out... But you have it all figured out...good luck Nostradamus..
 
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I never mentioned the SLI! The mediator I refered to may be the one who sits at the negotiating table. That mediator will act more as an arbitrator in negotiations with the largest airline in the world with no chance of release for the APA.... So you may want to keep those expectations at bay. The UAL contract was valued more than the DAL contract in the eyes of the mediator.......we all know how that worked out... But you have it all figured out...good luck Nostradamus..

I am not French nor do I make prophetic predictions. Furthermore, I have never predicted major world events, nor was I born in 1503 or there abouts.

What I do provide is concrete information for aspiring professional pilots who seek to gain employment at one of the 3 legacy airlines. You provide what? Derogitory comments and call people scabs - nice. Okay, I see the benefit of your posts as distracting comments from a frustrated United pilot who adds nothing to the conversation.
 

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I am not French nor do I make prophetic predictions. Furthermore, I have never predicted major world events, nor was I born in 1503 or there abouts.

What I do provide is concrete information for aspiring professional pilots who seek to gain employment at one of the 3 legacy airlines. You provide what? Derogitory comments and call people scabs - nice. Okay, I see the benefit of your posts as distracting comments from a frustrated United pilot who adds nothing to the conversation.

I'm not frustrated at all, I call a spade a spade. An ex USAPA member questioning the credibility of someone is definitely comical though...BTW, your concrete information is speculative...
 
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I'm not frustrated at all, I call a spade a spade. An ex USAPA member questioning the credibility of someone is definitely comical though...BTW, your concrete information is speculative...

Still you provide nothing of value or substance to an aspiring pilot researching what legacy to marry. American should be the 1st choice for any pilot looking to call home for the rest of their life.
 

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Still you provide nothing of value or substance to an aspiring pilot researching what legacy to marry. American should be the 1st choice for any pilot looking to call home for the rest of their life.

I'm not here to blow smoke up aspiring pilots tail pipes, speculative info does them no good. As for AAG being the #1 choice, the jury is still out. You have a LONG way to go to full integration and the SLI will make the UAL/CAL SLI look like a cake walk..
 
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I'm not here to blow smoke up aspiring pilots tail pipes, speculative info does them no good. As for AAG being the #1 choice, the jury is still out. You have a LONG way to go to full integration and the SLI will make the UAL/CAL SLI look like a cake walk..

Long way to go? Wrong. The SLI will be complete December of 2015 and the SOC complete by April 2015. Cake - what kind? I want some. Mmmmm
 

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Long way to go? Wrong. The SLI will be complete December of 2015 and the SOC complete by April 2015. Cake - what kind? I want some. Mmmmm

That's funny.....you are a bit clueless to the whole process. Let me know a year or two after SOC when you are still integrating IT throughout the different employee groups, training, FF program, reservations, maintenance, fleets, stations....oh yeah, I forgot, hub rebalancing, fleet displacements, base closures, JCBA's for the represented employees and let's not forget, if sub AAA doesn't get DOH the decertification effort of APA and the never ending DFR lawsuits..............I believe you have risen to the KING TOOL of FI...
 
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That's funny.....you are a bit clueless to the whole process. Let me know a year or two after SOC when you are still integrating IT throughout the different employee groups, training, FF program, reservations, maintenance, fleets, stations....oh yeah, I forgot, hub rebalancing, fleet displacements, base closures, JCBA's for the represented employees and let's not forget, if sub AAA doesn't get DOH the decertification effort of APA and the never ending DFR lawsuits..............I believe you have risen to the KING TOOL of FI...

Oh good lord you are clueless leaded by a clueless leader Smisek. Why has the board not fired this clown by now?
 

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Still you provide nothing of value or substance to an aspiring pilot researching what legacy to marry. American should be the 1st choice for any pilot looking to call home for the rest of their life.

Uhhhhhhhhh, what? You mean after you get real management (Last Call Dougwiser...), get some profit sharing like the other legacies, and get your S$&T together when it comes to the SLI and being able to fly together. That may take decades. Don't worry though, newhire AA pilots can still apply now to DL or UAL and still get on early enough to have a great career with a better airline.


Pave, you on the other hand, should apply to be a janitor at the MIA airport. Most of what you say is completely full of steamy S$%T. You seem to love it, and that's just weird, like you.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 

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Pave, you on the other hand, should apply to be a janitor at the MIA airport. Most of what you say is completely full of steamy S$%T. You seem to love it, and that's just weird, like you.



Bye Bye---General Lee

read that Heavyload, defender of the mighty Ms Jenny :rolleyes:
 
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Uhhhhhhhhh, what? You mean after you get real management (Last Call Dougwiser...), get some profit sharing like the other legacies, and get your S$&T together when it comes to the SLI and being able to fly together. That may take decades. Don't worry though, newhire AA pilots can still apply now to DL or UAL and still get on early enough to have a great career with a better airline.


Pave, you on the other hand, should apply to be a janitor at the MIA airport. Most of what you say is completely full of steamy S$%T. You seem to love it, and that's just weird, like you.



Bye Bye---General Lee

It is my opinion that the current profit sharing needs to be built in to our pay and captured now in our next contract.
 

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Delta - "Galactically stupid on fuel hedging!"

http://fortune.com/2014/06/02/secret-club-kate-kelly/

"Delta earlier in October, the carrier indicated that it will incur another $350 million in special charges in the third quarter due to a negative impact from fuel hedge settlements."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspe...g-performance/

One-time items for Delta Airlines - Bad fuel hedges costs DAL 1/3 of a billion dollars in the 3rd quarter on 2014.

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/f70...Air Lines/id-1d3a87d506e0446a94b4225c91e9ea1b

When fuel costs drop, Delta Airlines and United Airlines lose millions!!! AAG does NOT hedge.


Actually, UAL is not that well hedged, surprisingly.
 

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Long way to go? Wrong. The SLI will be complete December of 2015 and the SOC complete by April 2015. Cake - what kind? I want some. Mmmmm

Man, I hope that works out for you.
 

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Oh good lord you are clueless leaded by a clueless leader Smisek. Why has the board not fired this clown by now?

Simply put, even with the lowest market cap of the big 3, the stock price still has room to go and has returned quite a return for investors. The operation is a totally different ball of wax.
 

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The FA contract TA, whereas the vote ends on 9 Nov 14 (it should pass), does not include profit sharing and is the reason the company does not want to disclose their offer to include profit sharing to the APA until the FA's vote for their new contract (higher than Delta's current FA contract). By the way, me-too clauses for the FAs should have never existed in the first place! There is no comparison to their jobs and our careers. The psychology behind past airline management behavior is too lengthy to discuss but this cat is officially out of the bag.

The APA will have AAG's offer on 12 Nov 14 and show a side-by-side comparison to the pilots to include profit sharing. The earlier offers included Delta + %5 but the APA said no to scope of 81 and to no profit sharing.

Well, there goes that prediction....
 
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