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Uncle Bunkle said:
I'm not in it, and I'm also not surprised some chick is...Who would've thunk it, but hey her daddy works there...
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Sorry to burst your bubble, and I don't want to get into a pissing contest with you, but no one in my family even flies, let alone works for UAL.

It would be nice if we could keep these posts on the subject and professional.
 
pilotgolfer said:
Is anybody else in the Sept 24th class?

Scott
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Good luck. I'm sure you're aware that the CEO of your new employer says his number one priority is finding a merger partner. :eek:

IMO... you're entering this quagmire with your eyes open. Please don't be like so many others and post here in a year or two when "you're shocked to hear the news of your furlough/stapling".

BBB
 
Big Beer Belly said:
Good luck. I'm sure you're aware that the CEO of your new employer says his number one priority is finding a merger partner. :eek:

IMO... you're entering this quagmire with your eyes open. Please don't be like so many others and post here in a year or two when "you're shocked to hear the news of your furlough/stapling".

BBB
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BBB,
Be a sweetie and encourage EVERYONE to go to a legacy. I need as little competition for FedEx for my honey as possible. Be a sweetie will ya? ;)
 
Uncle Bunkle said:
I'm not in it, and I'm also not surprised some chick is...Who would've thunk it, but hey her daddy works there...
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Oh brother.....you must be one of the 10% eh?

I suppose since she said her daddy doesn't work there, now you're probably thinking she only has 300 TT too, huh? Get a life.

Maybe you're not in it cuz you're a tool. :rolleyes:
 
capt. megadeth said:
BBB,
Be a sweetie and encourage EVERYONE to go to a legacy. I need as little competition for FedEx for my honey as possible. Be a sweetie will ya? ;)
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Sorry Mega... it was a moment of weakness.

Trust me... we ALL hope your "sugar britches" makes something of himself! :D

BBB
 
It helps being a chick thats for sure. Anyone says anything diffrent they are living a lie... If I was a chick I would take it. Its not them its a political thing though.
 
Big Beer Belly said:
Good luck. I'm sure you're aware that the CEO of your new employer says his number one priority is finding a merger partner. :eek:

IMO... you're entering this quagmire with your eyes open. Please don't be like so many others and post here in a year or two when "you're shocked to hear the news of your furlough/stapling".

BBB
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Big Beer Belly,

I'm well aware what I'm jumping into. I know there are many bad things that could happen. Maybe its short sighted on my part, but I hate commuting to my current job at JFK. United gives me the chance to drive to work in under an hour. I'll risk being stapled for that at this time in my life.

For all the risk involved...I think there is a lot of upside potential at UAL. They have no where to go but up from here. JMHO.

Scott
 
Big Beer Belly said:
Good luck. I'm sure you're aware that the CEO of your new employer says his number one priority is finding a merger partner. :eek:

IMO... you're entering this quagmire with your eyes open. Please don't be like so many others and post here in a year or two when "you're shocked to hear the news of your furlough/stapling".

BBB
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Hey BBB you have a good job, there is no reason for you to even post on this thread.
 
Stan said:
Hey BBB you have a good job, there is no reason for you to even post on this thread.
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Stan... I'm not feeling the love. :p

BTW... which threads may I post on?

BBB
 
Big Beer Belly said:
Stan... I'm not feeling the love. :p

BTW... which threads may I post on?

BBB
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You won the lottery congrats. Why do you have to put someone down because they are happy they got a job?

Don't stoop to the level of the old legacy pilots and start asking guys "When are you going to get a real job?"
 
Stan said:
Why do you have to put someone down because they are happy they got a job?
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In re-reading my post I agree that (due to brevity) it came across as callous. My intent was to remind job-seeking pilots that a company's hiring and its financial health are not necessarily connected. UAL has recently emerged from bankruptcy and remains in a financially precarious state. By all accounts its employees are demoralized, their contracts gutted, pay/pension slashed, and its CEO has expressed no cohesive plan for the future. Tilton has publicly stated he is seeking a merger partner (i.e., UAL's continued viability as a stand alone carrier is in doubt).

IMO... if one knowingly seeks employment with UAL, or a carrier in a similar predicament, then one is making a long shot wager with his career. IF the wager doesn't pay off, then it is a little disingenuous to complain about one's "hard luck" in the future.

On the other hand, everyone's life circumstances are different and the risk of a move like this might not be as great for some. The opportunity cost of lost seniority at another healthier carrier is always a player, however.

YMMV,

BBB
 
BBB, unfortunately, not everyone can work at Brown or Purple. There's only so many "stable" jobs to go around, and many thousands of pilots looking to get out of the regionals or the military and start their major airline career. The fact is, if you don't know a few people at FedEx or UPS, then you simply aren't going to get an interview.

Also, keep in mind that the carriers that looked the least desirable 10 years ago are some of the most sought after jobs today. This industry is a crap-shoot. For all we know, SWA could be in bankruptcy in five years, and UAL could have merged with CAL, not furloughed, and be making tons of money. Stranger things have happened in this business. If you get offered a job at any major carrier, then you'd be crazy to pass it up. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't keep your app updated at Brown or Purple, but passing up a class date at UAL just to keep sitting in an RJ at a regional doesn't make any sense.
 
If my breasts help me get a job at United, so be it. Half of the guys here use recomendations, half of them have daddys that work for majors and most of the pilots at CAL are scabs or sons of scabs or have recomendations.

I think it is safe to say that everyone gets hired based on something other than ability to shoot an approach. Cause they even hire fighter pilots, and they only fly VFR. LOL
 
In a way it still amazes me that United is talked about now in such a way, whoda ever thunk it.

In any case congratulations to all who want the job and got the job. Most times those that over analyze and try to trick-fluff the system with their brilliant logic end up getting bitten in the end.

Go with your gut. Go to United and make the most of it, somehow I still think its a worthy goal, or choice, as the case may be.
 
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pilotgolfer said:
They have no where to go but up from here. JMHO.
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Scott,

Just so you know, that's not quite true. There's plenty of paths UAL may take. Getting stapled to the bottom (or even fairly integrated.... with a 2007 seniority date) would not be a path you would want - I don't care where you are in life. They'd furlough the bottom 20-30%.... again.... and you'd be out for many years - fighting for a job with a bunch of cookie-cutter-furloughees - just like we all did back in 2001,2002,2003....

I'm not saying you aren't making the right choice (gamble) for you... it's just that it isn't "no way but up" for UAL for a LONG time. good luck. We all gamble in this industry. I hope you win. But there will be losers.

-fate
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FatesPawn said:
Scott,

Just so you know, that's not quite true. There's plenty of paths UAL may take. Getting stapled to the bottom (or even fairly integrated.... with a 2007 seniority date) would not be a path you would want - I don't care where you are in life. They'd furlough the bottom 20-30%.... again.... and you'd be out for many years - fighting for a job with a bunch of cookie-cutter-furloughees - just like we all did back in 2001,2002,2003....

I'm not saying you aren't making the right choice (gamble) for you... it's just that it isn't "no way but up" for UAL for a LONG time. good luck. We all gamble in this industry. I hope you win. But there will be losers.

-fate
ex UAL furloughee
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The same was said to the guys getting hired at CAL back in 05-06 now they have almost 1000 guys underneath them and some are even captains. This whole industry is a crap shoot but one thing is for sure you cannot have great opportunities unless you take a chance, and in this industry that means going to the bottom of somebodies list. If you wait until the right time you could definately miss the boat.
Congrats to everone who gets hired at CAL, UAL, DAL, FDX etc.
 
CatIIIc,

That's exactly my point. The industry is a crap shoot... and UAL is no different. The greater the risk, the greater the reward... sometimes.

-fate
 
PCL_128 said:
This industry is a crap-shoot.
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Ah... fatalism at its best... the belief that the outcome of one's life is beyond his or her control. Nonsense.

Please tell me... if you're not directing your life, then who is?

You obtain all the required ratings and experience; you network and establish relationships as required in this business. Eventually you apply and are granted an interview. You seek the advice of professional interview/sim prep services and nail the interview. This I call preparation meeting opportunity. Others call it "luck".

Fatalism is a convenient mindset for failure. The belief that the circumstances of one's life are beyond your control provides a convenient excuse for not achieving your potential (dreams).

Life's short... I'm a believer in following the proven (and well worn) path to success. I do realize that this philosophy is not for everyone though. Good luck! :D

BBB
 
Pocono Pilot said:
I think it is safe to say that everyone gets hired based on something other than ability to shoot an approach. Cause they even hire fighter pilots, and they only fly VFR. LOL
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Yeah, and because they fly alone in the airplane, making all the decisions themselves, they're also totally unable to handle the crew/CRM environment on an airliner.
 

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