United-Continental Process Agreement

[densoo]

Any chance the flight and duty time makes CAL reserve better? Any opinions? I'm quite sure the FAA hasn't indicated that reserve pilots will be required to take up residence in the airplane, so it can't get worse. Maybe these recalls can skip the BS CAL scheduling dishes out.

I can think of one right off, which is the 30-hour domicile rest in the 7-day lookback. CAL's current is a simple 24-hour and it doesn't have to be in domicile. Having to get the reserve back to domicile occasionally will cost them.

 

[densoo]

Any chance the flight and duty time makes CAL reserve better? Any opinions? I'm quite sure the FAA hasn't indicated that reserve pilots will be required to take up residence in the airplane, so it can't get worse. Maybe these recalls can skip the BS CAL scheduling dishes out.

Short call reserve reduced by an hour. Harder to "double pump." Can't release a reserve to 9-hours of rest to do a redeye--if released to an assignment differing from the PAW it looks like 14 hours rest.

(c) For short call reserve,
(1) All time within the reserve availability period is duty.
(2) The reserve availability period may not exceed 14 hours.
(3) No certificate holder may schedule and no reserve flightcrew member on short call reserve may accept an assignment of a flight duty period that begins before the flightcrew member's next reserve availability period unless the flightcrew member is given at least 14 hours rest.

 

[densoo]

Any chance the flight and duty time makes CAL reserve better? Any opinions? I'm quite sure the FAA hasn't indicated that reserve pilots will be required to take up residence in the airplane, so it can't get worse. Maybe these recalls can skip the BS CAL scheduling dishes out.

The way I read this one, they won't be able to mandate that reserve pilots check their schedule after 1500 everyday if they are not actually in a PAW during that time. They're going to have to set a PAW and stay with it throughout the work block, and may have a harder time whipping the reserves schedule around.

In defining a rest period, the ARC included the condition that a flightcrew
member be free from all contact during a rest period. The proposed definition means that the certificate holder cannot contact a flightcrew member nor can the flightcrew member be required to contact the certificate holder during a rest period.​

 

[Flopgut]

Awesome. Obviously you're the right guy to ask. Thanks!

 

[pilotgolfer]

Ex737drvr is right. If you have a self esteem problem then Jeff has you right where he wants you. Airline pilots [all of us] aren't being paid what we desreve right now. So use that as motivation to change things. That time is now. This is not just a contract. This is time to call the loan. The money we are demanding is not something we're asking for, it's accounts recievable. Services have been rendered and the bill is overdue to be paid. It's going to be time to add a late penalty PDQ....

I've been thinking about this "job opportunity" for a long time now. I don't know how its going to go down. I am lucky enough to have a job right now that I enjoy. It doesn't leave any cushion in the budget from month to month...but I'm home 15-17 days a month.

The reserve rules at CAL make me cringe. I am about 280 from the bottom of the UAL list...so this might be a moot point. I just don't see how the senior guys at UAL would willingly jump into the meat grinder of a reserve system. I get it that some guys are out of work and this might be the best option available right now.

I'm just wondering...will this weaken our bargaining power with the company if 200 UAL pilots willingly enter into this. Will Smisek and his lawyers see this as "hey the United guys are willing to work under these rules, so it can't be so bad?" I'm just worried that this is going to stretch out the JCBA negotiations even further.

Any thoughts?

 

[Flopgut]

Pilotgolfer: I hope you choose to came back. I think, on a certain level, you'll enjoy it. It's not everyday that you get to add another major airline name to the list of those you've flown for. We have good equipment and our operation does some interesting flying. Most importantly, It's a chance to use a benefit that we negotiatied. You're not on probation and not starting out at new hire pay. I know you will feel welcome and we need your vote. It certainly won't weaken us to have 200 UAL furloughs [martyrs] start flying here.

 

[pilotgolfer]

Pilotgolfer: I hope you choose to came back. I think, on a certain level, you'll enjoy it. It's not everyday that you get to add another major airline name to the list of those you've flown for. We have good equipment and our operation does some interesting flying. Most importantly, It's a chance to use a benefit that we negotiatied. You're not on probation and not starting out at new hire pay. I know you will feel welcome and we need your vote. It certainly won't weaken us to have 200 UAL furloughs [martyrs] start flying here.

I've only discussed this with a half dozen furloughed United guys and we all said the same thing...I would much rather have a vote on the next contract.

 

[densoo]

I've only discussed this with a half dozen furloughed United guys and we all said the same thing...I would much rather have a vote on the next contract.

+1000

I would think that every UAL pilot flying at CAL will be a "no" vote, guaranteed. That's the 10th great reason for this happening. The more no votes, the more the company is going to have to move to get to 50%+1.

 

[Patriot328]

I've only discussed this with a half dozen furloughed United guys and we all said the same thing...I would much rather have a vote on the next contract.

+1000

I would think that every UAL pilot flying at CAL will be a "no" vote, guaranteed. That's the 10th great reason for this happening. The more no votes, the more the company is going to have to move to get to 50%+1.

+ another 1000...

 

[Yuppyguppy]

amen!

 

[Andy]

The reserve rules at CAL make me cringe. I am about 280 from the bottom of the UAL list...so this might be a moot point. I just don't see how the senior guys at UAL would willingly jump into the meat grinder of a reserve system. I get it that some guys are out of work and this might be the best option available right now.

It's a moot point. No way will they burn through 1250 furloughees before getting 200.
However, summer 2012 will be interesting. They'll need to lead turn age 65 retirements; the combined company should have 40-50 retirements/month. Definitely expect to be recalled by late 2013.

I'm halfway up the furlough list. I'd probably take the job just to keep busy, but I doubt I'll get a call among the first 200. I don't expect to be recalled until late 2012/early 2013.