United and L-XJT

[centralpilot]

Where does it say that if leases expire that hey have to replace the ERJ with another A/C flown by LXJC?
Any actual source you can point to?
I say this because if it does not actually say that they can't do that, then Skywest will do whatever they want.

The L-XJT CPA does have replacement rights for a number of aircraft under the 10 year term. It is possible that the ERJs with expiring leases get parked without replacement. It is possible that SKYW could negotiate a new CPA on the L-ASA side for additional UA flying.

However, SKYW has to know that if the go down that road the pilot morale, productivity, etc will turn sour quickly. The same threat existed per-merger. I have no desire to see our pilot groups played against one another. Hopefully we can get this contract done soon, merge the lists, then possibly work on combining with SKYW pilots to reduce whipsaw threats and maximize leverage.

 

[OCP]

The L-XJT CPA does have replacement rights for a number of aircraft under the 10 year term. It is possible that the ERJs with expiring leases get parked without replacement. It is possible that SKYW could negotiate a new CPA on the L-ASA side for additional UA flying.

However, SKYW has to know that if the go down that road the pilot morale, productivity, etc will turn sour quickly. The same threat existed per-merger. I have no desire to see our pilot groups played against one another. Hopefully we can get this contract done soon, merge the lists, then possibly work on combining with SKYW pilots to reduce whipsaw threats and maximize leverage.

Agree on all parts. However the thing I disagree with... Were you at ASA after Skywest bought us? They have no problem with pilot morale being in the Sh!Ter. In a threat to shrink us before the contract we have they transferred aircraft from ASA to Skywest because we wouldn't take what they were telling us to take.
They have already tried to transfer aircraft from ASA to Skywest after the leases expired at ASA. We have language that kept them from doing that, but they still tried.

 

[Nevets]

Where does it say that if leases expire that hey have to replace the ERJ with another A/C flown by LXJC?
Any actual source you can point to?
I say this because if it does not actually say that they can't do that, then Skywest will do whatever they want.

The transition and process agreement.

Agree on all parts. However the thing I disagree with... Were you at ASA after Skywest bought us? They have no problem with pilot morale being in the Sh!Ter. In a threat to shrink us before the contract we have they transferred aircraft from ASA to Skywest because we wouldn't take what they were telling us to take.
They have already tried to transfer aircraft from ASA to Skywest after the leases expired at ASA. We have language that kept them from doing that, but they still tried.

The difference being that you guys were getting a better contract back then. Today, "you" and presumably management, wants us to agree to a concessionary contract in order to facilitate the clauses in the CPA and the new UAL contract. Management would much rather we agree on their proposed joint contract than to go down any other road. That gives us a little leverage unless our partners on the LASA leave us at the alter. Filling for an annulment is probably a better analogy but you get the point. As Central Pilot said, we need to stick together so that none of us take any concession on this new contract.

 

[OCP]

http://asamec.alpa.org/portals/32/publiccontent/committees/communications/02012011_TPA_Pending.pdf

Does XJT have their own agreement about transfer of aircraft to a "Skywest" company? Acording to this, it seems aircraft can be transfered as long as positions are offered to the pilots. (ASA agreement)
It all still seems very vague on a lease return, and then a replacement with other aircraft.

Granted I am not privy to any of the meetings between Unions and company, but from what our MEC tells us is the MECs can't agree enough to present some things to the company.
What are the concessionary things that the XJT MEC is telling you that are concessionary?

 

[wms]

http://asamec.alpa.org/portals/32/publiccontent/committees/communications/02012011_TPA_Pending.pdf

Does XJT have their own agreement about transfer of aircraft to a "Skywest" company? Acording to this, it seems aircraft can be transfered as long as positions are offered to the pilots. (ASA agreement)
It all still seems very vague on a lease return, and then a replacement with other aircraft.

Granted I am not privy to any of the meetings between Unions and company, but from what our MEC tells us is the MECs can't agree enough to present some things to the company.
What are the concessionary things that the XJT MEC is telling you that are concessionary?

That no longer applies. The TPA added a clause that excludes aircraft returned to the lessor. When aircraft went from ASA to skyw for LCC, they went through the bank so pilots didn't have to go iaw the cba. They will use this clause also when erjs are replaced with CRJ700&900s.

 

[amcnd]

The "clause" is a starting piont "SkyWest inc" will negotiate from there, just like they did with the Delta Comair swap.. I can see this happening way more then just as written in the L-XJT deal right now.. SkyWest Inc is looking for "long term" solutions..( Straight from the company news letter... )...I see them working with United for a long term solution.. Not just a 75 plane swap out...

 

[Flyer1015]

as rival Pinnacle is banking on with its large Q400 orders.

Pinnacle has large Q400 orders? Since when?

 

[HelloNewman]

I simply LOL at regional pilots that actually think they have a say in their future.

 

[Nevets]

That no longer applies. The TPA added a clause that excludes aircraft returned to the lessor. When aircraft went from ASA to skyw for LCC, they went through the bank so pilots didn't have to go iaw the cba. They will use this clause also when erjs are replaced with CRJ700&900s.

The difference is that your 200s were actually transferred and ended up at Skywest. The ERJs will be parked. But if they do end up using those ERJs for something after their leases expire, i don't see them giving them to ASA or SKW to operate. The replacement aircraft clause still stands. It's part of the CPA regardless of when the ERJs get parked. That's the whole point of that clause, to replace our expiring ERJs. Skywest new these leases were expiring starting next year and that is why they negotiated that clause in our CPA.

 

[B.T.Justice]

Dont you think SKYW could sign a new deal for growth aircraft, and agree to terminate the old CPA? We had a deal with DL through 2016 to fly all of our 200's, but contracts get cancelled and superseded by new agreements.