United and CAL SLI for furloughed pilots

[mamba20]

Who is going to pay for it? I say the senior guys. They gave it away... they can get it back...

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I couldn't agree more.

The senior pilots can pay for it with a small % of their hourly rate and the rest with vacation, sick time, and other gravey.....

 

[eaglesview]

The senior pilots can pay for it with a small % of their hourly rate and the rest with vacation, sick time, and other gravey.....

Good idea, let's get rid of the gravy. there is no use for it anyway since the potatoes and meat are missing anyway.

Before you start your banter with me I am not one of these senior guys you have it in for but your idea is silly. You should know be now if you give stuff up it is very difficult to get back. So as a guy who hopes to become senior I am not in favor of this gimmick.

 

[justin15e]

My guess for a combined SLI is this:

- Relative seniority for active pilots on both lists.
- Active time on property for guys on furlough (1 yr active service at UA gets placed next to a 1 yr active at CAL) - This is unfortunate for CAL furloughs since it will most likely put the majority of furloughs at UA in front of CAL furloughs since all of CAL furloughs have less than 1 active year at CAL
- 5 year fence for both pilot groups

 

[BID]

147 on furlough at CAL. I have heard only half want to come back. What happens if they get recalled before the list is combined? Assuming of course there is a merger, and it is approved, etc, etc.

 

[WolfManPack]

My guess for a combined SLI is this:

- Relative seniority for active pilots on both lists.
- Active time on property for guys on furlough (1 yr active service at UA gets placed next to a 1 yr active at CAL) - This is unfortunate for CAL furloughs since it will most likely put the majority of furloughs at UA in front of CAL furloughs since all of CAL furloughs have less than 1 active year at CAL
- 5 year fence for both pilot groups

RE: 147 CAL at the bottom of a list using active time on property....Uh....NO! Keep your nearly bankrupt airline leveraged to the max and I'll keep my approximate 6 to 7 year upgrade at CAL.

 

[FDJ2]

My guess for a combined SLI is this:

- Relative seniority for active pilots on both lists.
- Active time on property for guys on furlough (1 yr active service at UA gets placed next to a 1 yr active at CAL) - This is unfortunate for CAL furloughs since it will most likely put the majority of furloughs at UA in front of CAL furloughs since all of CAL furloughs have less than 1 active year at CAL
- 5 year fence for both pilot groups

Good guess: Here's mine, somewhat similar.

Replace "relative seniority" with "status/category ratios".

Four categories:

* 747/777,
* "wide body" to include 757s,
* narrow body and
* furlough.

Furloughed pilots to be integrated via ratio that is modified by longevity and time on furlough. IOW, the longer you've been on furlough, the less your longevity counts.

Anyone brought back after the date of constructive notice will not be furloughed to make room for a pilots still on furlough from the other pre-merger list, but who hasn't been recalled yet.

5 year fence on the 747s.

 

[thor2j]

We definetly need a fence on the 787 as well.

 

[contrail67]

147 on furlough at CAL. I have heard only half want to come back. What happens if they get recalled before the list is combined? Assuming of course there is a merger, and it is approved, etc, etc.

The way the press is talking the merger will be announced and list made (probably already has) before any recalls happen....imagine that.

 

[justin15e]

RE: 147 CAL at the bottom of a list using active time on property....Uh....NO! Keep your nearly bankrupt airline leveraged to the max and I'll keep my approximate 6 to 7 year upgrade at CAL.

I agree 100%. Stay separate. This time looks like it might actually happen though. I'm not saying what I want or think is fair to either side, but my guess in my opinion is realistic.

If CAL wants to help out its furloughed guys, it needs to get them back before the summer flying. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that will happen.