United 93 Movie

[Melon]

Again, I am usually not a "conspiracy theorist" but I do believe UAL 93 was taken out. If not, something happened to constitute a cover-up of some kind.

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=75&contentid=3470

Form your own opinions....

While we are talking about this, what do you guys think of TWA 800? Really a fuel problem, or something else?

 

[Formula 1]

Do you mind if I ask how much of your own money you have donated? Normally I'd say it's none of my business but since you are judging others for how much they are giving I figure its ok to ask you.

Fly-n-hi,

I don't mind you asking. I was the first FFDO at my previous airline and I am still one at my current airline. Some people find it easier to donate money than to give personnel time. I chose to give my time. I have served in the army and before that I used to do search and rescue for the local Sheriff's office. I all this voluntarily. I don't know how to but a monetary value on all of that.

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[Formula 1]

The fact of the matter is every family member of those who perished on that flight signed off on the movie. I just saw a Larry King interview with the actors and some of the family members. They all seem quite excited about the upcoming release. If the movie is ok with the family, it's ok with me.

Oh and by the way, if Silent Hill can make 20 million the first weekend, I think United 93 can do it. That would be a 2 million donation, nothing to snub your nose at.

We must never forget

Deerkiller,

A couple of weeks ago while getting my wx brief from the USA Today they had an ariticle on this movie and not all the familiy members signed off on the movie. Infact some of them wish the movie would not be shown and people would respect their wishes. The article was in the lifestyle section where the suduko puzzle is located. I also recall hearing an interview on NPR from a couple of the familiy members of United 93 who reject the idea of a movie. The NPR story was about up and coming 9-11 movies.

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[Green Baron 737]

Just a tidbit of useless infomation I thought I would share. The United 93 FO is played by Gary Commock. He is a pilot for UPS.
GB

 

[JethroF15]

Magnum is right on the money. These knuckleheads who point to wild conspiracies seldom think about the layers of people who would have to keep silent. Not just one pilot, how about the guy's wingman? Or the controller who authorized the shot (after presidential approval) and all those around him, or the ordnance guys who loaded the weapons. I could go on but the bottom line is that the military if run by Americans, and Americans have big fat mouths!! Especially when it comes to exposing a lie.

Can you say "Roswell NM"?!

 

[LegacyDriver]

The only conspiracy theory I see as plausible would be a bomb going off and damaging the plane or a high speed structural failure/loss of control. I don't see an AIM-9 as part of the equation.


I don't have any 757 experience, but at 5000 feet how fast could you fly that thing without losing it? Is it possible to Mach Tuck a 757 that low to the ground? That kept bouncing around in my head...

 

[Spectre]

Again, I am usually not a "conspiracy theorist" but I do believe UAL 93 was taken out. If not, something happened to constitute a cover-up of some kind. "

If the plane were shot down, the wreckage would have been spread out. We all know it was concentrated in one area. There would be some fragments, large and small much further from the crash site.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Also, "RV" beat "93" in total box office by about 20 percent but was shown on more than twice as many screens to do it. "93" had about 6500 bucks per screen. That's huge.

 

[kevdog]

Again, I am usually not a "conspiracy theorist" but I do believe UAL 93 was taken out. If not, something happened to constitute a cover-up of some kind. "

If the plane were shot down, the wreckage would have been spread out. We all know it was concentrated in one area. There would be some fragments, large and small much further from the crash site.

Actually, wasn't the tail found about 5 miles away from the main crash site with a trail of debris? At the end of the movie, it stated the military did not know about United 93 before it crashed and the nearest fighter was 100 miles away. That certainly wasn't how I remembered it.

 

[Gorilla]

God bless everyone on flight 93. The horror of 9/11 sadly needs to be revisited every so often... it seems the U.S. public wants to suppress it, a natural reaction.

Guys, please stop promoting whack conspiracies. I believe they are destructive, and definitely distracting.

Assume for a moment it was shot down. It's pretty obvious that the jet was on its way to DC to wreak havoc. Everyone on that jet was doomed; a shootdown would be the lesser evil. Why would it be suppressed?

 

[vance]

Conspiracy Theorists

Please step away from the crackpipe and get back to the grassy knoll in downtown Dallas. Seriously though, I know all your dumba$$ angles and if you think that's the only way Bush could invade Iraq and Cheney could get his Halliburton stock to go up then you must think Iran and North Korea are tourism "hot spots." Please go there.

We live in a wicked world and although I wish we weren't the "police force," the fact is we still have the Constitution and freedom to be idiots. Check your history books. We've made some mistakes, but have been pretty right in most of our conflicts.


Now back to our regularly scheduled thread!

Vance

 

[Big Beer Belly]

The only conspiracy theory I see as plausible would be a bomb going off and damaging the plane or a high speed structural failure/loss of control. I don't see an AIM-9 as part of the equation.


I don't have any 757 experience, but at 5000 feet how fast could you fly that thing without losing it? Is it possible to Mach Tuck a 757 that low to the ground? That kept bouncing around in my head...

Interesting thought, but I don't believe so.

Mach at 5000 feet standard day is approx. 748 mph (650 knots). Max design limit speed for a 757 at 5000 feet is approx 350 KIAS. Inflight breakup would occur well before reaching/approaching Mach.

I do recall reading the first 767 hit the tower at barber pole (approx 350 knots), but the second jet (flown by Atta I believe) hit the second tower at approx 450 knots (calculated by radar plots). Boeing engineers had not previously thought that possible. Their data indicated structural failure (wings would separate) prior to achieving that speed. FWIW.

BBB

 

[CCDiscoB]

I am not a conspiricy theorist, but I believe UAL 93 was shot down by the US government.

As someone who flew that day, and attended many 9/11 debriefs, I can tell you UAL was not shot down. I get asked that question often.

The facts are:
Pre-9/11 alert aircraft were loaded with a hot gun only. The military aircraft that were on training flights, and were diverted to assist on that day certainly didn't have anything loaded.

The F-16 that was enroute to UAL 93 was nowhere near it (as was stated before). How far away do you think a US missile can be fired and still hit it's target? I can tell you that had the F-16 been armed with a missile, it was not in range.

The F-16 (block-30) radar could not have "sorted" the "target" without asking someone if he had the correct contact, never mind even seeing him out at 100 miles.

Had a missile hit the aircraft, there would have been some indication on the CVR and FDR, and the phone calls that orginated from the flight.

Actually, wasn't the tail found about 5 miles away from the main crash site with a trail of debris?

This surprises you? If an Airbus tail can sheer-off on take-off due to wake turb, do you think any tail would stand up to a near vertical plunge?

...the military did not know about United 93 before it crashed

That's not true, we did know. In fact we knew about it before CNN started talking about the flight.

 

[tubelcane]

Just saw the movie, whew where do you start? I too thought it was very well done, the last 15 minutes were very tough to watch. I was the last one to leave the theater trying to take it all in. Were't many people there at a 12:45 Monday afternoon showing. I really hope more people will see it.
There were very frustrating elements, the confusion between the FAA and military come to mind several times. The lackadazical cockpit entry procedures before 9-11. What were we thinking? And the piece of crap pax. saying they just want money, and they'll let us go. Then he tried to warn the hijackers of the oncoming assault. I didn't know one of the pax was a gen. aviation pilot. Too bad they couldn't get control for him to try and land somewhere, don't know how successful he'd have been. They did wait too long and may have been able to get the cockpit back if they'd have done something sooner. But how can you second guess what they did. Who would have known, if any of us were onboard would we have been able to do any better, nobody knows. Can you tell athe adrenaline is still pumping in me?
Very glad I saw it, hope it makes a bunch of money and they make more movies about that day. Sadly, too many have forgotten.
Melon I think you are a tool, but nice try.

 

[ABXbooger]

Regardless of your views of the movie, the important thing is that we, as a nation, have a way of forgetting or moving on.

We should never forget that day and those that followed...

If this movie allows us to reopen the wounds and feel again the horrible pain of that day, it is good- as long as that pain is directed to results.

I have not seen the movie, and initially I did not want to see it. But as I thought about it more, I am going to see the movie. To remind myself what our country had done to it and to personnaly never allow myself to forget, ever.