Every example given are instances when the company is prevented from flying airplanes. That is clearly not the case. If it were, then ASA would not have grown by 32% YOY. You cannot claim forced majure for only certain types of airplanes.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the DALPA reps are there to present their case to the arbitrator. The company reps are there to present THEIR case to the arbitrator. That doesn't sound like a democratic voting process to me. But let's assume I'm wrong, and it is. Ok, so 'you' vote for the grievance, the company reps vote against it, and who decides? The arbitrator will make the final ruling. It's up to the arbitrator, no matter how you slice it. By the way, I don't 'hope' you lose. I merely believe that you will.Actually, I do get a vote. Two, as a matter of fact. The sytem board is made up of two DALPA reps (my votes), two company guys, and an arbitrator.
Kilomike,kilomike said:I have read with interest everyone's remarks about the union issue. I believe that we need to have strong unions to prevent workers from being cheated out of a decent livelihood.
How the (unprintable) can someone live on $7.50/hour and support a family??
Yes, and with the employees as well. A good working relationship (or lack thereof) is a 2-way street. If both sides approach issues from a cooperative standpoint, instead of an adversarial standpoint, lots more gets accomplished and everyone comes away feeling like a winner. Unfortunately, that is the exception rather than the rule in the airline industry.Why do you think Southwest and its' unions have a better relationship than most? I believe the difference lies within management.
Who is suing, and for what? Whether they are violating the contract is obviously up for debate. And again, forming that healthy working relationship is a 2-way street. I haven't seen the Delta pilots holding out any olive branches.Delta management seems more comfortable suing its' pilots and violating the contract they signed rather than trying to form a healthy working relationship.
Though it was directed at DaveGriffin, since he is in a similar position to many of us on this board, your comments would apply to us as well. I found your sudden lack of tact and tolerance rather surprising, and yes, rude and insulting. I am sorry if that offended you, just calling it like I saw it.Luckily Dave, our furlough grievance is none of your **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** business, so I don't have to waste my time explaining our position yet again. We understand that you don't support our furlough grievance. We don't care.
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear in my earlier post. I'll try again. You don't get a vote. I don't care what you think of our case. Rant away.
FlyDeltasJets said:Luckily Dave, our furlough grievance is none of your **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** business, so I don't have to waste my time explaining our position yet again.
We understand that you don't support our furlough grievance. We don't care.
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear in my earlier post. I'll try again.
You don't get a vote. I don't care what you think of our case.
Thanks FDJ. You’re too kind.FlyDeltasJets said:Dave, You are entitled to your opinion.
FDJ;FlyDeltasJets said:We do not deny the devastating events of 9/11. We do not deny the effects it has had on our industry. However, we do argue that these events satisfy the requirement necessary to violate our contract. Every example given are instances when the company is prevented from flying airplanes. That is clearly not the case. If it were, then ASA would not have grown by 32% YOY. You cannot claim forced majure for only certain types of airplanes.
I really have no idea what the pilots will do if the lawsuit is unsucessful. [Based on comments on this board, there seem to be some differences between CMR and ASA pilots.] But, if I had to guess, I'd put my money on your having that union to yourself.Also, if I were convinced that I would not be able to change the union's practices, I would consider starting or joining another that would more accurately reflect my beliefs.
You obviously hold your passengers’ intelligence in very low regard. C’mon FDJ, don’t be so condescending to the paying customers. Maybe they don’t know the specific aircraft model but they know the difference between a big airplane and a little airplane, and they certainly know the difference between a coast-to-coast flight and a short haul regional flight.Originally posted by FlyDeltasJets
The average passenger has no idea what kind of airplane they are flying.
Here are the facts:Originally posted by FlyDeltasJets
To imply that rjs traffic is growing because of 9/11 is laughable. First of all, rj traffic was growing long before 9/11. Second of all, rj traffic is growing because the amount of rjs flying is growing. Thirdly, rj traffic is growing because many mainline routes have been transferred to rjs. I reiterate" It is NOT growing because people don't like big airplanes. That is ridiculous.