Union Busting at NWA -- will pilots support the IAM or not?

[PCL_128]

That said, is AMFA still out on strike? I don't work for NW or subsids so I don't know the latest.

Technically yes, but I haven't seen any picket lines in a few weeks. They've pretty much lost at this point. It was a failed venture from the get go. They just didn't have the leverage to pull it off with all of the SCABs willing to steal their jobs.

 

[Lear70]

Ummm.... everyone pays for training. It's just the degree to which you do it. He didn't walk past a bunch of striking Pinnacle pilots to get his seat. I am not a big fan of PFT, but it is nowhere near scabbing.

That's a ******cop-out and you know it.

There's a HUGE difference in paying for college and the ratings required to obtain a basic job and paying for "aircraft-specific" or "specific-job-required" training which is somehow not required for people with more experience.

For example, a Doctor pays for all his college which takes him a decade of internships that give him certain "certifications" along the way towards a GP's license or a Specialization. If he wants a job at a specific hospital AFTER that such as the Mayo Clinic or John Hopkins, he doesn't go and spend another $80,000, he ***** EARNS IT by gaining experience and qualifications IN HIS CURRENT JOB!

And yes, Southwest if PFT too. If the government hadn't paid for mine, I'd still be sitting without the 737 type.

/rant

 

[Publishers]

Actually a Doctor is a good example. He pays for his college education, specialized training, and then works at way sub par wages during intern and residency years working on the job, and then he can go out and set up his own practice at his own expense, or, become employed at far less by a hospital or clinic.
In years of over supply, many pilots go get their own ratings for as long as an employer can get someone ready to go, why would they pay to train someone unless it is an upgrade situation.

 

[Lear70]

Actually a Doctor is a good example. He pays for his college education, specialized training, and then works at way sub par wages during intern and residency years working on the job, and then he can go out and set up his own practice at his own expense, or, become employed at far less by a hospital or clinic.
In years of over supply, many pilots go get their own ratings for as long as an employer can get someone ready to go, why would they pay to train someone unless it is an upgrade situation.

You're VERY conveniently leaving out one important fact that makes your argument completely wrong:

A doctor MUST have that college education and specialized training to work as a doctor. It's called an M.D. and he can't work without it. A doctor does not get to buy his way into a SPECIFIC hospital (company) by BUYING a specific license.

As a pilot, you must have a Commercial Multiengine Instrument Rating or you cannot work as a pilot. Anything more than that, ESPECIALLY buying a SPECIFIC rating or required schooling to obtain a job that must be filled ANYWAY is something NO other honorable profession does. We have become whores to our own greed.

To answer your last rhetorical question: as an airline, a 121 Air Carrier flying large category aircraft MUST have a Second In Command in the flight deck. It's assinine for someone to PAY a company for training that company will have to do ANYWAY. If people stopped doing it, airlines would have to train these people AT THEIR OWN COST.

Oh never mind... people are too stupid to ever realize they're contributing to their own professional demise.

 

[xjlifer]

Lear70 your right on the money. After Midway went out (the original Midway that is) I was out of Aviation for 2 years. This was back when a ton of regional's were pay to play..There was no way I was going to do that...so I worked outside the field and waited. The whole time I networked and kept in contact with HR folks at Company's I wanted to work for.

Paying to play is just plain wrong on so many levels. I got into a heated discussion with a station manager years ago about this. He said well it cost the co. good money to train you and then you leave. I said how about if you get a new deice truck but before you use it you have to pay to be trained on it. He said That is not the same it is a piece of equipment required for the job. And I said Bingo!

 

[YourPilotFriend]

I can't believe there are people out there who would pay X amount of dollars to be put through this. I charge $100 to take you out back and kick you very hard in the nuts. Either way you get to go flying, but the kick in the nuts isn't as painful.