Union at Shares

[Galaxy]

Ahhhh.. because the thread is about a Union at Shares...

Still B19..why are you here-you don't work much less fly for a frac.

 

[fischman]

There you go again. This is twice on these boards you have inferred that there is a difference betwen union pilots and a non-union pilots. Belonging to a union does not mean that a pilot is more professional or is of finer quality than a non-union pilot.

How so? It just so happens that the pilots I work with are union pilots.

They are professional to a fault and I am extremely proud of the job our UNION pilots do every day.

Get the f off you high horse. Calm down man. You are way to sensitive.

 

[Safetycheck]

Hey ZERO,

Your union is accomplishing the goal of all unions: least amount of work for the most pay. Eff the company, professional wages for professionals, yes, but then add work rules that turn the positive cash flow into the bloody diahreah that unions eventually cause to spew from an otherwise healthy company.

You are killing your company one grievance at a time. Soon you may wind up like the other former glorious companies run by pilots unions. Can you say Eastern? TWA? Any number of others who flew high in the glory days. Where are they now?

Idea: All those who want a union at xyz company, why not secede and start your OWN company, go into this business for yourselves and give the pilots whatever you think they should have.

Unionizing is not the answer, especially when you have a progressive company, family oriented, well meaning and genuinely cutting-edge in every way trying to do right by their employees, pilots and owners.

WWW.UNIONFACTS.COM

 

[Diesel]

Safetycheck you obviously don't understand how the grievance process works.

A pilot feels that the company has not lived up to their end of the bargin in regards to a specific section of the contract. Whether it be duty time, crew food, uniforms, ANY section. That union pilot then files a grievance.

The grievance is heard by the pilot and the company. Usually by phone. The company and the grievant come to a decision. Sometimes the decision is in favor of the grievant sometimes the company.

If the grievant feels that the award is not fair or right the grievant can then appeal to a system board of two pilots and two mgmt representatives.
When the grievance enters the SBA it is presented before the 4 mentioned above. 1st the union presents its case and then the company presents its case. The SBA board then has a time limit of 3 hours to discuss the grievance and an answer has to be presented. Either an award in favor of the company, pilot, or dead-lock.

The amount of dead-lock grievances are very very small. They are usually much larger issues that are being discussed on the executive board level. SBA works because it is an open honest discussion with the union and the company. There can be no agenda's because having all the grievances deadlocked would be a complete waste of time.

Sorry for the long post but Safetycheck really showed his ignorance in one of the most democratic processes available to both the pilot and the union.

 

[pilotpat]

From a previous post in another thread: In response to the whole Eastern failure.

You may as well blame the mechanics and rampers while you're at it. The pilots voted to sympathy strike with them because Lorenzo wanted to cut their (mech's and rampers) pay. HE was the one who dismantled the airline. HE was the one who screwed the airline and all its employees. Place blame where it should be and come up with something in this century or even this decade if you wanna debate.

As far as TWA...well, call me not perfect in my info, but didn't the whole TWA-800 deal really screw them up at a bad time. I mean multimillion dollar lawsuits don't help when you're down.