UND owned Citation has double engine failure, none hurt.

[KeroseneSnorter]

The word around the airport is "icing," but I dont see how icing could have anything to do with it....

Could be, it would require the pilots having their head up their rear and letting the nacelles Ice up before turning on the heat. Then when they did get hot, ejecting the ice into the engines and tearing up the turbine.

 

[pilotmiketx]

Anyone remember the Options BE-400 that had a dual flameout over the gulf? They got one engine restarted and landed safely. Fuel exhaustion was not the cause, but haven't heard if they ever determined what was.

 

[English]

UND jet makes emergency landing

GRAND FORKS, N.D.(AP) - A University of North Dakota research jet with four
people on board made a successful emergency landing after the engines quit,
the university said.

The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating Friday's incident
near Fairbanks, Alaska, UND said.

The Citation II research jet from the university's Atmospheric Science
Department was lost from radar contact during a study of icing conditions,
according to a release from UND.

When the department's chief research pilot, Paul Le Hardy, was unable to
restart the engines, he maneuvered the jet into a successful emergency
landing about 70 miles north of Fairbanks.

UND spokesman Peter Johnson said two other occupants are researchers with
UND. The fourth person on board is a researcher with Sikorsky, a company
that designs helicopters.

"Given the weather conditions and the formidable terrain in Alaska, the safe
landing of the aircraft without injury to the crew was a remarkable display
of airmanship on the part of the pilot," said Dr. Bruce Smith, Dean of UND's
John D. Odegard School of Aerospace Sciences.

 

[English]

Lot of time in a 550 here, Barring any volcanic ash or birds (unlikely on the ash, birds possible but not mentioned so probably not) I would throw a $100 bill down and bet either fuel contamination, or they ran it dry.

You can mail the $100 bill to me, I don't take checks.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

You can mail the $100 bill to me, I don't take checks.

Ahhh, but I have yet to see a cause stated anywhere! By the time the NTSB actually makes a ruling on this puppy chances are that my 100 bill will only be worth 10 bucks due to inflation!


Icing study doesn't tell you much. Either they had a double bleed failure and could not heat the engines for some reason(or forgot to, which I find unlikely), or it was Fuel problems, based on what we have so far.

No, me thinks that my 100 bucks is safe for a bit longer!

 

[siucavflight]

You can mail the $100 bill to me, I don't take checks.

Is it too late for me to get in on that bet also?

 

[A Squared]

Icing study doesn't tell you much.

No, and in the first article, they were said to be looking for places for the icing studies, not actually conducting the icing studies atteh time. And the icing studies will involve a helicopter, if I understand correctly. So, you're right, the mention of icing studies doesn't shed much light on the cause of the engine failures

 

[Lead Sled]

Icing conditions eh? Where was TurboTD when they needed him?

'Sled

 

[puck_11]

This is strictly second hand info but word has it they had a chunk of ice break of the nose and then both the engines injested it.

There is a video floating around showing UND's Citation after landing after one of their experiments with icing, the amount of ice on it was unbelievable,
I can't believe it flew.

 

[English]

Do I hear $200?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

UND jet makes emergency landing

GRAND FORKS, N.D.(AP) - A University of North Dakota research jet with four
people on board made a successful emergency landing after the engines quit,
the university said.

The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating Friday's incident
near Fairbanks, Alaska, UND said.

The Citation II research jet from the university's Atmospheric Science
Department was lost from radar contact during a study of icing conditions,
according to a release from UND.

When the department's chief research pilot, Paul Le Hardy, was unable to
restart the engines, he maneuvered the jet into a successful emergency
landing about 70 miles north of Fairbanks.

UND spokesman Peter Johnson said two other occupants are researchers with
UND. The fourth person on board is a researcher with Sikorsky, a company
that designs helicopters.

"Given the weather conditions and the formidable terrain in Alaska, the safe
landing of the aircraft without injury to the crew was a remarkable display
of airmanship on the part of the pilot," said Dr. Bruce Smith, Dean of UND's
John D. Odegard School of Aerospace Sciences.

Is it me or do these "remarkable displays of airmanship" usually follow something remarkably stupid that the airman did...

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Do I hear $200?

Hmmmm....seems like I may not have accounted for stupidity....I.E. intentionally keeping an airplane in heavy ice for extended periods of time! (I guess in scientific circles change "stupidity" to "test envelope")


Hmm lets see here.......betting 100 bucks handbook....page 23...section 4d...yes here it is..."if said person or persons intentionally flies said aircraft outside of the approved and certified limits and intentionally proceeds into known or hazardous conditions.....blah blah blah......then Kerosenesnorter is not liable for any internet betting as per section 34a subsection e line 5"

There you have it...I'm off the hook!!!imp:

 

[FN FAL]

Those guys were lucky.

Nah, lucky pilots always land at their destinations.

 

[English]

Good one KS!

 

[Foxcow]

Is it me or do these "remarkable displays of airmanship" usually follow something remarkably stupid that the airman did...

They were doing research. I am glad that everyone is ok because I know the pilot pretty well.

 

[Hand Commander]

There was a citation that landed on I-40 in AZ in 2002. I think it was a fuel issue too, cant remember if they ran it dry

I think I saw this plane in Kingsman, AZ. I was walking out to our plane for my multi checkride and the examiner pointed out a citation sitting there with the nose gear missing, radome all scrapped up and the tail section all torn up. Said the guy (single pilot) departed the Phoenix area for Vegas and ran out of fuel 20 mins later. Set up for landing on the highway and waited to clear a semi before dropping the gear, only the gear didn't make it all the way down before he landed. The crappy part is the state patrol was in such a hurry to get it off the road, they tied a chain to the tail and started dragging it off (the damage from that looked just as bad as the nose). Or so he said.

 

[FN FAL]

The crappy part is the state patrol was in such a hurry to get it off the road, they tied a chain to the tail and started dragging it off (the damage from that looked just as bad as the nose). Or so he said.

Yea, I suppose the state patrol should have waited until engineers from cessna came out to supervise the removal of the wings and the loading of the airframe onto a flat bed truck, before they let motor vehicle traffic flow on that highway again.

 

[Lead Sled]

Is it me or do these "remarkable displays of airmanship" usually follow something remarkably stupid that the airman did...

Isn't there an old saying in aviation...

A superior pilot is one who's superior judgment makes it unnecessary to demonstrate his superior skills.

I seem to remember one like that.

A friend of mine was flying a C-550 and lost an engine. The stall strip out on one of the boots somehow found its way into the engine inlet. It's amazing was a chunk of rubber can do to an engine. I'm one of those guys who will wait until the report comes out, but logic tell me that it's probably one of two scenarios - fuel mismanagement or inlet heat mismanagement. Neither scenario bodes well for the crew.

'Sled

 

[MrBojangle]

Try Ice

I work with the pilot and two of the crewmembers. They were doing an icing study. Ice collected on nose cone, broke off into both engines. Definately not a fuel issue.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Do I hear $200?

I'm in!

(The $200 will probably buy me a tank of gas for my Ford Escort...)