UND owned Citation has double engine failure, none hurt.

[Gulfstream 200]

UND jet makes emergency landing

GRAND FORKS, N.D.(AP) - A University of North Dakota research jet with four
people on board made a successful emergency landing after the engines quit,
the university said.

The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating Friday's incident
near Fairbanks, Alaska, UND said.

The Citation II research jet from the university's Atmospheric Science
Department was lost from radar contact during a study of icing conditions,
according to a release from UND.

When the department's chief research pilot, Paul Le Hardy, was unable to
restart the engines, he maneuvered the jet into a successful emergency
landing about 70 miles north of Fairbanks.

UND spokesman Peter Johnson said two other occupants are researchers with
UND. The fourth person on board is a researcher with Sikorsky, a company
that designs helicopters.

"Given the weather conditions and the formidable terrain in Alaska, the safe
landing of the aircraft without injury to the crew was a remarkable display
of airmanship on the part of the pilot," said Dr. Bruce Smith, Dean of UND's
John D. Odegard School of Aerospace Sciences.

Is it me or do these "remarkable displays of airmanship" usually follow something remarkably stupid that the airman did...

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Do I hear $200?

Hmmmm....seems like I may not have accounted for stupidity....I.E. intentionally keeping an airplane in heavy ice for extended periods of time! (I guess in scientific circles change "stupidity" to "test envelope")


Hmm lets see here.......betting 100 bucks handbook....page 23...section 4d...yes here it is..."if said person or persons intentionally flies said aircraft outside of the approved and certified limits and intentionally proceeds into known or hazardous conditions.....blah blah blah......then Kerosenesnorter is not liable for any internet betting as per section 34a subsection e line 5"

There you have it...I'm off the hook!!!imp:

 

[FN FAL]

Those guys were lucky.

Nah, lucky pilots always land at their destinations.

 

[English]

Good one KS!

 

[Foxcow]

Is it me or do these "remarkable displays of airmanship" usually follow something remarkably stupid that the airman did...

They were doing research. I am glad that everyone is ok because I know the pilot pretty well.

 

[Hand Commander]

There was a citation that landed on I-40 in AZ in 2002. I think it was a fuel issue too, cant remember if they ran it dry

I think I saw this plane in Kingsman, AZ. I was walking out to our plane for my multi checkride and the examiner pointed out a citation sitting there with the nose gear missing, radome all scrapped up and the tail section all torn up. Said the guy (single pilot) departed the Phoenix area for Vegas and ran out of fuel 20 mins later. Set up for landing on the highway and waited to clear a semi before dropping the gear, only the gear didn't make it all the way down before he landed. The crappy part is the state patrol was in such a hurry to get it off the road, they tied a chain to the tail and started dragging it off (the damage from that looked just as bad as the nose). Or so he said.

 

[FN FAL]

The crappy part is the state patrol was in such a hurry to get it off the road, they tied a chain to the tail and started dragging it off (the damage from that looked just as bad as the nose). Or so he said.

Yea, I suppose the state patrol should have waited until engineers from cessna came out to supervise the removal of the wings and the loading of the airframe onto a flat bed truck, before they let motor vehicle traffic flow on that highway again.

 

[Lead Sled]

Is it me or do these "remarkable displays of airmanship" usually follow something remarkably stupid that the airman did...

Isn't there an old saying in aviation...

A superior pilot is one who's superior judgment makes it unnecessary to demonstrate his superior skills.

I seem to remember one like that.

A friend of mine was flying a C-550 and lost an engine. The stall strip out on one of the boots somehow found its way into the engine inlet. It's amazing was a chunk of rubber can do to an engine. I'm one of those guys who will wait until the report comes out, but logic tell me that it's probably one of two scenarios - fuel mismanagement or inlet heat mismanagement. Neither scenario bodes well for the crew.

'Sled

 

[MrBojangle]

Try Ice

I work with the pilot and two of the crewmembers. They were doing an icing study. Ice collected on nose cone, broke off into both engines. Definately not a fuel issue.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Do I hear $200?

I'm in!

(The $200 will probably buy me a tank of gas for my Ford Escort...)

 

[avbug]

The crappy part is the state patrol was in such a hurry to get it off the road, they tied a chain to the tail and started dragging it off (the damage from that looked just as bad as the nose). Or so he said.

The state police don't tow vehicles. Weather a tow service did the damage or not, isn't relevant...as it wasn't impatient state police towing the aircraft. They don't do that.

I work with the pilot and two of the crewmembers. They were doing an icing study. Ice collected on nose cone, broke off into both engines. Definately not a fuel issue.

Well how about that, folks? So much for speculation, that hallmark of professionalism.

 

[Fly_Chick]

FORT YUKON...

"This was an emergency crash, not an emergency landing," Provenzano said.
-- Anchorage Daily News

What is the difference between an 'emergency crash' and an 'emergency landing'?

 

[FN FAL]

What is the difference between an 'emergency crash' and an 'emergency landing'?

the emergency landing occurs at the emergency runway, which just happens to be co-located at the emergency airport.

 

[mattpilot]

Yea, I suppose the state patrol should have waited until engineers from cessna came out to supervise the removal of the wings and the loading of the airframe onto a flat bed truck, before they let motor vehicle traffic flow on that highway again.

NTSB 830.10 (b)

 

[FN FAL]

NTSB 830.10 (b)

Excellent citation, but look for the citation.

I hand looked through the NTSB files for 2002 and didn't find an accident that matched up with...

I think I saw this plane in Kingsman, AZ. I was walking out to our plane for my multi checkride and the examiner pointed out a citation sitting there with the nose gear missing, radome all scrapped up and the tail section all torn up. Said the guy (single pilot) departed the Phoenix area for Vegas and ran out of fuel 20 mins later. Set up for landing on the highway and waited to clear a semi before dropping the gear, only the gear didn't make it all the way down before he landed. The crappy part is the state patrol was in such a hurry to get it off the road, they tied a chain to the tail and started dragging it off (the damage from that looked just as bad as the nose). Or so he said.

I did a search for all accidents/incidents in AZ from 2000 to 2005, which returned 14 pages. None of which reflected an NTSB report for a Cessna Citation.

I'll let you in on a little secret. An FAA employee crashed one of our skydiver airplanes and flipped it on its back. The owner of the plane and the FAA guy were both very close collegues of mine. The plane was destroyed beyond repair and was only salvageable as scrap. In fact, the owner of the plane had to threaten a lawsuit against the skydiving club, just to break even.

Considering that this crash made the papers, considering that the pilot got a lump on his head and had to get looked at by EMT's including a trip to the hospital, considering the plane was destroyed, considering the pilot was FAA and probably had to make a health insurance claim, considering that the parachute club had to pay the difference after the plane was totalled out for salvage, considering that the reason the plane crashed was engine stoppage, don't you think there would be an NTSB report?

I have the newspaper article handy. I know the people involved. I flew that plane at that club. There is no NTSB report...

There is no NTSB report on this Citation at Kingsman AZ either. It probably landed on the highway like what's his name said. The state patrol called HQ, HQ looked in the policy manual then called the Attorney Generals office. The AG probably called the FAA and the FAA probably said drag it to the side of the road.