Unbiased Verbiage for Ticket Factory

[minitour]

Minitour, I remember in high school I had several teachers who offered as extra credit assignments to go home and teach it to my parents and a sibling. It was tough teaching my parents because I couldn't get feed back as to whether they were learning, because they weren't. They knew it already. None the less, there was very little adaptation for teaching my little brother. And as harrier touched on, you're not proving knowledge, you're proving technique, and in doing so you may very well be teaching the examiner.

isn't the key point of teaching someone something when they learn it?

If the examiner (as your parents did) knows the info, they aren't learning anything.

JMHO

-mini

PS
by "high volume" do you mean lots of students or lots of dollars?

If a business has lots of students, does that make them a "high volume" center and therefore they aren't teaching CFIs how to teach by definition?

So we can deduce that successful businesses aren't really teaching CFI's how to teach...just to pass a checkride?

 

[Tonala2k]

So we can deduce that successful businesses aren't really teaching CFI's how to teach...just to pass a checkride?

harrier, I think this maybe the point your survey will either confirm or deny. In every industry there are businesses that grow beyond themselves at the cost of quality. Have we allowed flight schools to do the same? If that is the case, how can someone filter through to find a school that hasn't gotten too big for its britches. Obviously we can't base the answer on quantity of students or instructors alone. For some schools as few as fifty students may be too many, especially if they're working on a host of ratings and certificates.

He's my thought. I'll bet you'll find that the highest quality schools have the most number of full-time and long term instructors (Meaning those who'll be around for more than two years. i.e. Chief instructors/CFI, instructing management, and ground instructor) per student. Colleges and University would be a prime example of this.

 

[MauleSkinner]

How do you propose to test "ability to teach" when most of the DPEs I've met probably have forgotten more about aviation than I'll ever learn?

I don't understand how someone "teaches" to someone with more knowledge than they have.

-mini

I guess we need to clarify more terms than just "ticket factory"

What do you call the activity taking place during a CFI oral/checkride?

David

 

[minitour]

I guess we need to clarify more terms than just "ticket factory"

What do you call the activity taking place during a CFI oral/checkride?

David

"Demonstrating instructional knowledge"

-mini

 

[MauleSkinner]

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[MauleSkinner]

"Demonstrating instructional knowledge"

-mini

I guess I would lean toward the PTS wording...

Examiner Responsibility
The examiner conducting the practical test is responsible for determining that the applicant meets acceptable standards of teaching ability, knowledge, and skill in the selected TASKs. The examiner makes this determination by accomplishing an Objective that is appropriate to each selected TASK, and includes an evaluation of the applicant's:
1. ability to apply the fundamentals of instructing;
2. knowledge of, and ability to teach, the subject matter, procedures, and maneuvers covered in the TASKs;
3. ability to perform the procedures and maneuvers included in the standards to the COMMERCIAL PILOT skill level1 while giving effective flight instruction; and
4. ability to analyze and correct common errors related to the procedures and maneuvers covered in the TASKs.

Additionally,

Satisfactory Performance
The practical test is passed if, in the judgment of the examiner, the applicant demonstrates satisfactory performance with regard to:
1. knowledge of the fundamentals of instructing;
2. knowledge of the technical subject areas;
3. knowledge of the flight instructor's responsibilities concerning the pilot certification process;
4. knowledge of the flight instructor's responsibilities concerning logbook entries and pilot certificate endorsements;
5. ability to demonstrate the procedures and maneuvers selected by the examiner to at least the COMMERCIAL PILOT skill level1 while giving effective instruction;
6. competence in teaching the procedures and maneuvers selected by the examiner;
7. competence in describing, recognizing, analyzing, and correcting common errors simulated by the examiner; and
8. knowledge of the development and effective use of a course of training, a syllabus, and a lesson plan.

Note that the items I emphasized in bold require teaching, and are listed separately from the knowlege of teaching items that I italicized.

I guess based on that, I don't have a problem with Tonala2k's terminology.

Fly safe!

David

 

[harrier]

That's one of those signs of a good instructor, Tonala2k, in my opinion. Willing to admit spots they need to work on! This project has turned into a passion for me. Which makes it harder. I understand now why a researcher should always maintain distance from the task at hand. I'm debating on pasting the link here to the survey when it's ready. Getting a large enough survey sample is going to be yet another tough part.