UAL wins temporary injunction against pilots

[SoCentralRain]

My point is that ALPA is run too much like a business and not a union with balls.

Until then ALPA is nothing more than a fun club with a glossy magazine.

Sadly, Judge Lefkow just handed UA ALPA their balls in a paper bag.

I wouldn't characterize ALPA as being "a fun club." That would be the Shriners.

SCR

 

[Whataburger]

Undauntedflyer-

Do you enjoy watching your brothers and sisters get kicked again and again? You seem to have a real hard on for us at UAL?

Enjoy your retirement.....

Do you see a trend with this and age 65?

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Do you see a trend with this and age 65?

Yeah-I saw it.


I also saw Undaunted all alone on his HNL layovers because NONE of us wanted anything to do with him!

 

[JD2003]

Unfair? Why of course!

Bankruptcy laws are unfairly stacked against labor too. Only in America can a company go bankrupt, employees take massive paycuts and CEO's and management get massive bonuses at the same time.

When the law becomes despotic we are not beholden to it. It is our duty to break the law.

 

[Smarta$$]

How do they get 4 million in profit out of 8 million in revenue? Pretty good margins there.

 

[Raoul Duke]

NO ONE named and NO ONE within ALPA pushed for any sickout.

CHICAGO, Nov. 18 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- A federal court granted
> United Airlines' motion for a preliminary injunction against the
> Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) and four individual pilots,
> putting a halt to a deliberate, organized and unlawful campaign of
> sick leave abuse, pilot intimidation and other actions that
> resulted in the cancellation of hundreds of flights, inconvenienced
> thousands of customers and cost United millions of dollars in lost
> revenues.

I didnt write the press release but it seems to point the finger at 4 pilots.

 

[D-Bo]

CHICAGO, Nov. 18 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- A federal court granted
> United Airlines' motion for a preliminary injunction against the
> Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) and four individual pilots,
> putting a halt to a deliberate, organized and unlawful campaign of
> sick leave abuse, pilot intimidation and other actions that
> resulted in the cancellation of hundreds of flights, inconvenienced
> thousands of customers and cost United millions of dollars in lost
> revenues.

I didnt write the press release but it seems to point the finger at 4 pilots.

And I'm telling you that UAL won on lies and huge insinuations.

 

[XJTAv8r]

USA Today pro-mgmt slant

Look at the comments after the article. It's amazing how ignorant some people are when it comes to pilots, compensation, etc.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2008-11-18-united-wins-pilots-lawsuit_N.htm

 

[Raoul Duke]

And I'm telling you that UAL won on lies and huge insinuations.

I just read the judge's opinion (all 85 pages of it). If UAL won on lies and insinuations, ALPA let them win by not putting on a strong defense. The judge makes 4 or 5 references to ALPA not putting on a witness to counter evidence put on by UAL. The Judge also pointed out all of the inconsistencies in the UAL ALPA IRC Committee members testimony. The Judge more or less accuses them of telling lies in depositions.

Like it or not, we are all to often our worst enemies - mob mentality in which the loudest opinion wins without regard to what is the smartest long term strategy. This decision is not just bad for UAL pilots. It is a very bad for all pilots at all carriers.

 

[D-Bo]

I just read the judge's opinion (all 85 pages of it). If UAL won on lies and insinuations, ALPA let them win by not putting on a strong defense. The judge makes 4 or 5 references to ALPA not putting on a witness to counter evidence put on by UAL. The Judge also pointed out all of the inconsistencies in the UAL ALPA IRC Committee members testimony. The Judge more or less accuses them of telling lies in depositions.

Like it or not, we are all to often our worst enemies - mob mentality in which the loudest opinion wins without regard to what is the smartest long term strategy. This decision is not just bad for UAL pilots. It is a very bad for all pilots at all carriers.

The questions were asked and answered in the depositions. The judge focused on the question that were truly not of consequence. The truth was told in the depositions. The judge chose to ignore all the truths along with the inacuracies on UAL side. Take whatever side you want but I'm telling you that the story you read in the decision is not the true story. The decision is based on fiction.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Round 1...UAL...

But there will be another round...promise you that. Try dealing with all the unions contracts expiring at once (end of 2009) and Obama in the White House...Do you think we will allow more than a 6 month discussion on Sec 6 without a request for release from mediation....I don't.

 

[Sonny Crockett]

I know a lot of guys that were present during the Trial. I was told that ALPA put up a GREAT fight and the company Lawyers were really bad. Looks like that was not so true, or the Judge didn't care?

This is BAD for all of us! United or whoever!

 

[saabservant]

I cannot help but imagine what an ounce of prevention from the ual communications committee could have done to prevent this.
I observe that the mec and the comm. committee were silent as the summer approached.

All they had to do was send out a few memos and emails, and bulletin board posts, stating the need to observe the rla and warning of even talk of individual or group action. And, remember, anything said on cell phones, text messages, and internet boards can be used against you.

The real answer, however, is amending the rla in our favor. If that cannot be done, then we all need to think about what other groups have done in the past to effect change.....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So you mean to say after ALPA gets around $55 Million dollars a year in dues, it still needs to have a "bake sale" to really be effective?

Maybe Prater is taking in more than the half a million a year everybody thought?

Quit running a union like a business and fight the RLA like a real union will make the difference!

This above post shows your lack of understanding...

Unions are prohibited by law to use dues money for PAC contributions....

 

[CaptJax]

UA Vs. ALPA: Can This Be Fixed?

http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/travelers_check/archives/2008/11/united_v_pilots.html

 

[SonicPig]

I don't care about the repeat. I'm just in a bad mood today. Care to guess why?

I'm under no illusion that the RLA is going to go away because the Republicans are on the run for awhile. I just think, hope, and pray that it will be modified or modernized. After the results of this past election, there may be some hope. At the very least, we should get some favorable appointments!

Judge Joan Lefkow is a Clinton Appointee and Democrat!!

The Pig.

 

[UAL-GSO]

http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/travelers_check/archives/2008/11/united_v_pilots.html

Make sure to read all the comments at the bottom... can't you just feel the love!!!

 

[SoCentralRain]

http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/travelers_check/archives/2008/11/united_v_pilots.html

God almighty. That whole thread of comments after the posted article make me want to retch. The general public has no freaking idea what we collectively go through.

Sadly, we are partially to blame. How many times in our past have we told someone "yeah, I'm working 90 hours this month" only for them to misconstrue what we just said. How about we tell them we work THREE to FOUR times that much--time away from home. Suddenly, their 40 hour work week isn't too bad.

More examples of us being our own worst enemy: Our PA's that say "the computer says we'll be landing on time." I know it might be semantics, but we all need to quit making it sound like we're just watching the country store eating our fabulous first class meal with the autopilot on until after we land. IMO comments like this, however slight, add up in the general public's eye, eroding our profession as skilled workers. We're not just autopilot babysitters, and our FMS does not fly the plane--WE DO.

Unless you're one of the SJS chumps living in your parents basement, we won't "fly for free" or "fly for food." I WISH I was paid anywhere CLOSE to what my neighbors and non-industry friends THINK I get paid. F*ck!

SCR

 

[CFIT]

This above post shows your lack of understanding...

Unions are prohibited by law to use dues money for PAC contributions....

I think it shows your lack of understanding of what a union should be, that is on the offense and not defense.

If managment throws a hit, respond in kind.

If ALPA wasn't so rich and so well funded it could afford "a good old fashioned work action".

Rez, your very own words.........


It doesn't have to be separate to beat down the RLA. (funding that is) Prater is still way over payed)