UAL wins temporary injunction against pilots

Skippy

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9:55 am this morning

ual was going back to the judge to grant a PERMANENT injunction, as if the temporary one wasnt enough.
 

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Court issues injunction against United pilot union

United wins injunction against pilot union over sick-outs blamed for summer cancelations

  • <LI class=byline>Joshua Freed, AP Airlines Writer
  • Tuesday November 18, 2008, 9:55 am EST
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- United Airlines said on Tuesday that a federal judge has barred its pilot union and four pilots from activities that disrupt the airline's activities.


United had accused some pilots of abusing sick time and refusing to fly extra hours. Sick-outs in particular are not allowed under the Railway Labor Act, the federal law that governs airline labor relations.
United said the judge in Chicago found that the actions of the Air Line Pilots Association had violated the act, and issued a preliminary injunction on Monday against four pilots and the union. United said it would next seek a permanent injunction.
Over the summer United blamed the pilots for the cancellation of 329 flights between July 19 and July 27. The carrier said that cost it about $8 million in lost revenue and $3.9 million in operating profit. United filed the lawsuit on July 30.
A spokesman for the United branch of ALPA did not immediately return a phone message seeking comment.

"While there is always room for discussion and tough give-and-take about our business, deliberate actions that unfairly or unlawfully impact our customers and employees -- and that keep us from achieving our full potential -- will not go unchallenged," Chief Operating Officer John Tague said in an e-mail to United employees.
 

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"refusing to fly extra hours"? Since when were pilots EXPECTED to fly extra? Management keeps the staffing artificially low, counting on the greed flyers. When they don' t show up, guess what is going to happen...canceled flights due to lack of crews.
 

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Oh boy....just one more nail in the coffin. Guess I may not be going back someday.

What a f'ing joke.

Good luck everyone. Tilton is there to stay....or kill what's left of a once great company.

RV
 

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"refusing to fly extra hours"? Since when were pilots EXPECTED to fly extra? Management keeps the staffing artificially low, counting on the greed flyers. When they don' t show up, guess what is going to happen...canceled flights due to lack of crews.
Yeah, one would think that. Unfortunately, the judgment says otherwise. Basically, the company came up with several years' worth of data concerning flying voluntary overtime (we call it JRM/SRM) and said, "look at these bad, bad pilots! Before we had XXX amount of pilots accepting JRM/SRM assignments, and now we only have X amount of pilots accepting it. That's a job action!"

And that's what sucks about the RLA. If the company can prove to a judge that past practices were X and now they're Y, even if such past practices were completely voluntary, that can be construed as a job action. One example of many as to why the RLA needs to be at least brought into the 21st century, if not abolished altogether.

Also, as many of you will eventually read in the memorandum opinion and order, you will see posts from "private, password protected" internet forums used as evidence AGAINST said posters AND their union. Be very careful about what you put into writing either in e-mail form or on internet forums.
 

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Yeah, one would think that. Unfortunately, the judgment says otherwise. Basically, the company came up with several years' worth of data concerning flying voluntary overtime (we call it JRM/SRM) and said, "look at these bad, bad pilots! Before we had XXX amount of pilots accepting JRM/SRM assignments, and now we only have X amount of pilots accepting it. That's a job action!"

The problem with an analysis like that is past practice might have been before we took all the cuts in BK and pilots were only flying 75 hours a month. Easy to pick up overtime when you are only working 12-13 days a month. Kinda hard to expect the same amount of overtime flying when lines are built flying 16-17 days a month. Momma don't like it.
 

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Didnt the pilots shoot themselves in the foot by pushing for a sickout? I assume that is why 4 pilots were specifically named by the Court/UAL?
 

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Fu(K the RLA.

Airplanes don't move without pilots.

Its time we had some respect.
 

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Fu(K the RLA.

Airplanes don't move without pilots.

Its time we had some respect.
That is the exact kind of attitude that got the pilots in trouble in the first place! Fly what you want (or not), fly the contract, and don't trouble yourself with what any other pilot chooses to do or not to do--UNLESS your MEC has specifically directed a legal withholding of service.

If we would all just adhere to those general guidelines, no company could ever get anywhere with their stupid complaints.
 

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Gotta love this business... If 2009 is a brutal year for the economy, watch UAL change drastically (i.e., merger, major restructuring via sold off parts or liquidation). I am glad I got out when I did.
 

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Didnt the pilots shoot themselves in the foot by pushing for a sickout? I assume that is why 4 pilots were specifically named by the Court/UAL?

NO ONE named and NO ONE within ALPA pushed for any sickout.
 

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Press ReleaseSource: United Airlines
> Federal Court Issues Preliminary Injunction Against ALPA to Protect
> United Customers, Employees
> Tuesday November 18, 8:30 am ET
>
> Court Puts Halt to Union's Unlawful Job Actions That Disrupted
> Operations
>
> CHICAGO, Nov. 18 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- A federal court granted
> United Airlines' motion for a preliminary injunction against the
> Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) and four individual pilots,
> putting a halt to a deliberate, organized and unlawful campaign of
> sick leave abuse, pilot intimidation and other actions that
> resulted in the cancellation of hundreds of flights, inconvenienced
> thousands of customers and cost United millions of dollars in lost
> revenues.
> The court determined that ALPA's actions were in violation of the
> Railway Labor Act, which governs labor relations in the U.S.
> airline industry. United filed the lawsuit seeking relief from the
> court on July 30, 2008.
>
> In its ruling, the court found that the public interest mandates
> that ALPA cannot organize and support activity designed to disrupt
> United's operations and also must exert every reasonable effort to
> stop any organized disruption that occurs. With a preliminary
> injunction in place, the company will seek a permanent injunction
> to conclude the process.
>
> "This is an important ruling because it means our customers and
> employees will not be subject to ALPA's illegal actions intended to
> disrupt our operations and intimidate our employees. We will
> continue to be decisive and proactive in taking all steps necessary
> to ensure the success of our company for the benefit of all of our
> stakeholders," said Pete McDonald, executive vice president and
> chief administrative officer.
>
> McDonald said the company pursued other possible resolutions - at
> significant financial cost - before pursuing litigation, including
> increasing reserve pilot staffing and negotiating with ALPA to
> modify certain work rules in the current agreement.
>
> About United
>
> United Airlines (NASDAQ: UAUA - News) operates nearly 3,000*
> flights a day on United and United Express to more than 200 U.S.
> domestic and international destinations from its hubs in Los
> Angeles, San Francisco, Denver, Chicago and Washington, D.C. With
> key global air rights in the Asia-Pacific region, Europe and Latin
> America, United is one of the largest international carriers based
> in the United States. United also is a founding member of Star
> Alliance, which provides connections for our customers to 975
> destinations in 162 countries worldwide. United's 52,000 employees
> reside in every U.S. state and in many countries around the world.
> News releases and other information about United can be found at
> the company's Web site at http://www.united.com.
>
> *Based on United's flight schedule between October 2008 and October
> 2009.
>
> Editors Note: For a complete copy of the court's motion, visit
> http://www.ualinfo.com.
>
>
> Source: United Airlines

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Undauntedflyer-

Do you enjoy watching your brothers and sisters get kicked again and again? You seem to have a real hard on for us at UAL?

Enjoy your retirement.....
 

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The problem with an analysis like that is past practice might have been before we took all the cuts in BK and pilots were only flying 75 hours a month. Easy to pick up overtime when you are only working 12-13 days a month. Kinda hard to expect the same amount of overtime flying when lines are built flying 16-17 days a month. Momma don't like it.
Yup, I agree! United lays off many, many mechanics and then complains when pilot maintenance refusals go up. United makes us all fly 90-95 hours a month then complains when we don't "volunteer" for overtime or "volunteer" to waive what little we have left of our contract. Apparently the judge didn't see it that way.
 

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So is the ALPA slogan "Takin' it Back" or "Takin' it in the Back?"

stlflyguy
 

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"UAL said the union had engaged in a campaign to encourage members to adhere strictly to contract terms and refuse voluntary assignments as a way of pressuring management to open contract talks early. The current contract expires at the end of 2009."

Read that bolded text over and over again. Tell me how that is illegal?

Since when is adhering strictly to the contract, and refusing to fly VOLUNTARY assignments illegal?

We have been working under draconian contract conditions for more than 2000 days. At some point, ya stop doing anything voluntarily, and you don't give the company any extra help. Especially when they are kicking pilots to the curb...AGAIN. There is no more good will left and it just got even worse.

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That's exactly what crossed my mind when I read that. I think following the contract to the letter is a must at all times.
 

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So is the ALPA slogan "Takin' it Back" or "Takin' it in the Back?"
stlflyguy
Again, another prime example showing how useless ALPA really is.
Do as the USAir guys did and vote them off.
 

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I would suspect that paying higher wages and giving a rats behind about your employees increases extra flying.

They have been kicking you guys in the balls for years - and they want your help?

************************* that.

JMO,
Gup

p.s. How's that PBS workin' for you?
 

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That is so unfair it's not even funny. I agree with GuppyWN, ******************** that.
 
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