UAL Strike

[AnimalTale]

Am glad F9 is doing well. don't look over your shoulder.........you might be next.

Dont worry,

Its my 6th airline, I KNOW!

cya

 

[oldxfr8dog]

not true old. strikes just work that way in bankruptcy. out of it......they can serve a purpose. only in certain circumstances. jmo.

Oh, I agree they can serve a purpose. A Samura spirit is required, nonetheless. If in Ch 11, you must be willing for your job and company to go away. If the company isn't in Ch 11, you must be willing to let your job to go away if demands aren't met and the company hires "replacement workers". It all depends on whether the bean counters factor in a fractured workforce and corp culture and what those "costs" are worth.

 

[skykid]

Just making an observation AnimalTale - you think United employees should strike rather than have their compensation lowered further while mgt gets rich. Have you compared your retirement plan to the current one for United pilots?

 

[AnimalTale]

Just making an observation AnimalTale - you think United employees should strike rather than have their compensation lowered further while mgt gets rich. YYYYYEEEEESSSSSSS!@@!!!!!!

Have you compared your retirement plan to the current one for United pilots? YYYEEEESSSSSS

Just making a statement SkyKid: Ill take my retirement options at F9 along with the workrulz,pay,people and skeds over the dire b@ll busting atmosphere at UAL.

I hope things change. I, too, was once geared to have a high PENSION at a GREAT major airline.

Cya

 

[skykid]

Ill take my retirement options at F9 along with the workrulz,pay,people and skeds over the dire b@ll busting atmosphere at UAL.

Great, I'm glad for you. The compensation at "legacies" is coming down to match what the LCCs have. That is not a slam on LCCs (I admire Frontier), but just the way business is going in this country. I agree with Mugs that it is self-serving for you to be hoping for a strike at UAL (in other words, for the airline to go away via Ch7). If you want to see UAL disappear I couldn't care less, but don't post about how UAL employees should be taking a stand against having their contracts roughly match yours.

 

[Big Duke Six]

Who's BS'ing who here? Isn't that all the UAL pilots did at the beginning of this downturn is yell and scream at others who took paycuts etc in order to keep their jobs? Of course, that was before they saw the light. I don't think it is self-serving at all to say you wish someone at UA would strike. Our whole industry is being played against itself, and I for one would like to see it stop. Would the UA employees stop it if they struck and closed the airline down? I don't know, but at least no legacy carrier out there would have to compete with that and then go to Federal Court next year to claim they too need to abolish their pensions to "stay competitive". The domino effect here is going to be dramatic if not stopped. Someone should strike.


I think it's self-serving to rail against others for taking cuts then go out and do the same yourself.

JMHO.

 

[skykid]

I think it's self-serving to rail against others for taking cuts then go out and do the same yourself.

I agree 100%!!! I know several hundred UAL pilots and have never heard any of them rail against anybody at another airline for taking a pay cut. I wanted to take a pay cut as soon as that jacka$$ Goodwin left the property, and I wasn't the only one. It makes sense to share in the good and bad times with your company.

The domino effect here is going to be dramatic if not stopped. Someone should strike.

OK, Airtran has a 10% B-plan, pretty impressive. UAL has a 9% B-fund, I believes American's is 11%, U's is 10%. How about YOU going on strike to get the kind of retirement benefits these companies have? Somebody has to strike!

 

[USMC319]

I agree 100%!!! I know several hundred UAL pilots and have never heard any of them rail against anybody at another airline for taking a pay cut. QUOTE]

Skykid,

I think it is pretty common knowledge that the United pilots, generally speaking, would look down their noses at all other airline pilots who took pay cuts or who made less money than them. Other pilots were generally treated as second class citizens. There was a real sense of arrogance in the past and in some cases it still exists today. Of course it (the arrogance) was never justified, it was merely a trait of the type of humans that worked there. On the other hand there are some real first-class pilots that work at UAL as well. They are easy to pick out because they are the ones without the attitude and arrogance.

 

[Big Duke Six]

Skykid,


Thanks for the post. I don't know as many United pilots as you, but I have to tell you NONE of the ones I know have EVER said anything as rational as the post you just made. The ones I know rant about how they MUST get what ever it is they think they deserve. I've even had one of them tell me they've held up flights because their crew meal showed up on a paper plate with plastic silverware instead of the requisite china plate and silverware, as called for in the contract. That is a true story, so thanks for showing me they are not all that way.

And hey, for the record, I'm not out to see anyone lose their job. I'm frustrated with the mindset of today's managers who think it's OK to sacrifice labor but keep their own futures bright. I'm fearful that since the gov't allowed UAL to dump their pensions, that now every other legacy carrier out there is going to be forced to do the same thing. Then once the idea catches on, it will reverberate out to every industry in the country that still offers pensions. It's just wrong, in my book, and I'd for once like to see this new management tactic stopped.

Do you feel mgmt at your company has taken fair cuts relative to labor? I'm asking because I've never read about genuine mgmt cuts there, but just wonder if I've missed something along the way.

 

[skykid]

Do you feel mgmt at your company has taken fair cuts relative to labor? I'm asking because I've never read about genuine mgmt cuts there, but just wonder if I've missed something along the way.

That is a good question. I don't believe any mgt team at any airline with a traditional pension program should ever get any bonus when any of their pension funds are 1 penny underfunded. The books aren't right. I would like to see UAL mgt take bigger cuts, sure.

I think it is pretty common knowledge that the United pilots, generally speaking, would look down their noses at all other airline pilots who took pay cuts or who made less money than them.

Interesting, since it was UAL pilots who took a pay cut in the 90s with the ESOP. The only Frontier pilots I know are people I don't care to associate with (2 guys in my neighborhood). However, I'm not stupid enough to believe they are all like that, and in fact I'm smart enough to know we are all about the same.

Of course it (the arrogance) was never justified, it was merely a trait of the type of humans that worked there.

Type of humans? That is an interesting statement to make in an arguement where you are calling someone else arrogant. A lot of the "humans" flying for United are a core of ex PanAm or Eastern folks. I'm glad this type of "humans" got hired because they are among the most humble and fun humans I've ever seen.

 

[doh]

Any body think the FA's would use chaos? They are the people I would worry about the most, because they have the least to lose.

 

[AnimalTale]

Great, I'm glad for you. The compensation at "legacies" is coming down to match what the LCCs have. That is not a slam on LCCs (I admire Frontier), but just the way business is going in this country. I agree with Mugs that it is self-serving for you to be hoping for a strike at UAL (in other words, for the airline to go away via Ch7). If you want to see UAL disappear I couldn't care less, but don't post about how UAL employees should be taking a stand against having their contracts roughly match yours.

I dont wish you to go down. I would not want anybody to lose a job, no matter how arrogant or how sweet. I am glad UAL has high pay and great pension. I am happy at F9.(who cares though)

My point is that, stand up to these self centered managers with golden parachutes. Demand an exit plan, and dont drag the whole industry down.

True in good times UAL hadd the best contract and F9 didnt. But today take a close look at our pay compared to yours....I dont think we are dragging anyone down.

Again, my point is not to start a war; I am frustrated to see the airline pilots of today lose everything they have earned through their past strikes and fights.

Good luck

 

[Tanner]

Animaltale.........are you retarded?

 

[100LL... Again!]

What an intelligent reply.


The continued refusal to acknowledge market forces is what is killing pilot wages.

 

[USMC319]

Relax Skykid. You are being way to sensitive. You don't need to do a line by line rebuttal to a tongue-in-cheek comment.

 

[doh]

I'm not too sure that the pilots can demand an exit strategy. They don't have stock any more, so the shareholders are the ones who have to lose patients and make demands.

 

[AnimalTale]

I am. Just a little, are you?

Cya