UAL MEC tough stance on Scope---keep it up!

[pilotkppsg]

Dude, express jet alone sent an assload of 500 hr chicks to united in 2000, it happened alot. They'd come in, get about 3-400 hrs in the beech or 120 in CLE then bounce to y'all.
To answer your question, my point is that a fine many Internet toughguy mainline pilots spout off on here and got their junk half-hard thinking their gonna get yalls 2000 contract back and bring all the 70 seaters under one blanket. That's great, I love the enthusiasm and hope y'all can pull it off without gutting work rules and pay. Now my argument comes when statements like your MEC chair made or some of the other heroes on here saying that we as regional pilots are bringing down the profession, costing you guys bargaining power and are no good behind the yoke. I call bs on that. I call alot of bs on that and know it's gonna fall on deaf ears because that's how weak ass ALPA plays ball.

 

[Chairman]

As of 1998 you had to meet the ATP minimums to get hired at UAL......There were plenty hired in the late 80ies and early 90ies though

 

[Flopgut]

Rez: Did you get my PM?

 

[eaglesview]

Dude, express jet alone sent an assload of 500 hr chicks to united in 2000, it happened alot. They'd come in, get about 3-400 hrs in the beech or 120 in CLE then bounce to y'all.
To answer your question, my point is that a fine many Internet toughguy mainline pilots spout off on here and got their junk half-hard thinking their gonna get yalls 2000 contract back and bring all the 70 seaters under one blanket. That's great, I love the enthusiasm and hope y'all can pull it off without gutting work rules and pay. Now my argument comes when statements like your MEC chair made or some of the other heroes on here saying that we as regional pilots are bringing down the profession, costing you guys bargaining power and are no good behind the yoke. I call bs on that. I call alot of bs on that and know it's gonna fall on deaf ears because that's how weak ass ALPA plays ball.

Hmmm can't imagine why anyone would think you are unprofessional.

 

[list2002]

Crickets chirping in background... something must be up.

 

[Morning Wood]

Look at Skywest. They were able to buy ASA, Expressjet, Frontier, and Midwest.

A lot of emotion and opinions on these boards being formed by misinformation. SkyWest did not buy Frontier or Midwest. They were bought by Republic Holdings.

 

[thruthemurk]

Just for the sake of historical accuracy...United was sued in the mid 1980's by a handful of women pilots who applied and were not hired. United lost the lawsuit and were mandated by the courts to hire one non (white male) for every one white male hired for two years. This could be a woman or minority pilot. Prior to his lawsuit there were very few non white male airline pilots. Statistically there were also very few ATP rated pilots in the US that were not white males.

The resolution took place in 1989 and 1990, and the infamous Nancy Stuke was hired to run the pilot hiring department for the next decade. Even after the two year window - hiring practices obviously did not return to the past. They were revised at other airlines as well when they realized they were vulnerable to the same lawsuits. Count the number of women pilots at Delta, American, Southwest and Fedex prior to 1990 - I doubt there were 30 between all four of these carriers. Minorities a similar story.

As a result of this US Federal court ruling - there were a group of pilots hired with lower times than the prevailing norm. This same situation occurred in the mid 1960's when United could not find qualified airline pilot candidates due to the Vietnam war. They went around to college campuses, "enlisting" engineering students with the offer of a job if they would get their commercial rating by the following year Furthermore,l they paid them for the rating and hired them when they got it. This group had a stellar career track and paid almost NO dues. The vast majority of these pilots gained the experience and were perfectly fine in the airline system.

Later pilots spent a decade in the FE seat or FO seat (or both when things slowed down in the 80's and 90's, and had no career progression even though they had paid huge dues and were eminently qualified when hired.

There were a statistical handful of the first group that made it though training and should not have - and they have been a legal hassle ever since. It is this extremely small group that pilots with a chip on their shoulder or a stalled career like to refer to when explaining the raw deal they have. When I was hired at United in the late 90's, it was interesting to scan the dozens of photos of all the new hire classes and realize that despite the rhetoric and forced hiring revisions - the VAST majority of pilots hired at United were white males. I am sure that an overwhelming number of ATP's being white males was a fundamental cause.

In any case there will always be opportunities for non-white males that pursue the profession as their diversity is just one more arrow in the quiver when trying to stand out from the herd.

PS I am a white American of Irish descent and proud of it. There was a day when dogs and Irishmen weren't allowed in restaurants in the city of Boston.

Things change. Life isn't fair. Deal with it.

 

[doh]

Murk, there was a time when the Irish were sent to America as slaves.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez: Did you get my PM?

Yes, I replied but you are configured not to receive messages.. maybe I'm on your ignore list... try again?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Murk, there was a time when the Irish were sent to America as slaves.

At least they brought good beer.....