UAL MEC (daddy) has to warn pilots (children) to stop denying j.s. to jetblue pilots

[Dizel8]

How about we just find out who the few are and let that companys pilots straighten them out!

 

[CandyMan]

Captains with the big captain itis for jumpseaters need to be kicked in the weany. No doubt about it

 

[Dave Benjamin]

I would definitely support limiting jumpseat to union members only. <snip>Make the jumpseat a political tool! Join up or take greyhound!

The only tool here is you. Do you have any idea how many ALPA pilots commute on non-union SkyWest? Not to mention the furloughed ALPA pilots that work for SkyWest and commute on ALPA carriers. I'm not sure but I think SkyWest has over 1500 departures daily.

Here's a novel twist. Why doesn't ALPA find a way to make it irresistable to B6 pilots? If ALPA could show B6 pilots compelling reasons to join then maybe B6 pilots would vote for representation.

I'm pro ALPA but anti-blackmail. Noone wins in a jumpseat war.

 

[Hutcha]

Captains with the big captain itis for jumpseaters need to be kicked in the weany. No doubt about it

Come again????

 

[wndshr]

with the technology that we have via the internet, dispatch releases, f/a, gate agents and friends that work at each carrier....it would be very easy to find out who this captain(s) is/are. then a little peer pressure in the form of a "blanket party" would take care of the problem!

 

[CandyMan]

Captains that are jerks about giving up jumpseats need to be kicked in the weeny

 

[Dizel8]

Shouldn't that read "teeny weeny"

 

[fatboyplt]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Ref my post #56. I have contacted the chief pilot office in jfk and they are well aware of the issue ref J/S denials with B6. I have also written to our Vice President of Flight ops concerning this as well. Hopefully this crap will be laid to rest immediately.

I will repeat my sentiments. The jumpseat is a privlege that can be taken away and it can take years to recover.

While we all have opinions ref state of industry concerns lets not use this universal benefit to make life miserable just to go to and from work.

My .02
Thanks to all I ride with.

Birdman
BTV

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Ref my post #56. I have contacted the chief pilot office in jfk and they are well aware of the issue ref J/S denials with B6. I have also written to our Vice President of Flight ops concerning this as well. Hopefully this crap will be laid to rest immediately.

I will repeat my sentiments. The jumpseat is a privlege that can be taken away and it can take years to recover.

While we all have opinions ref state of industry concerns lets not use this universal benefit to make life miserable just to go to and from work.

My .02
Thanks to all I ride with.

Birdman
BTV

Unless it is in your CBA that the PIC has unquestionable authority and use of the jumpseat, your company can easily say..... [and even then ]

"Effective immediately. XYZ [insert your airline here] jumpeats will only be used for official company or gov't use. There will be no personal jumpseating in the cockpit or cabin"

So play nice. Be a good boy.

 

[fatboyplt]

What does play nice be a good boy, exactly mean...

I certainly understand the ramifications of J/S being revoked and hope that it is never done at UAL. That is why I am responding this thread ref my previous posts..

Thank you
Birdman

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

What does play nice be a good boy, exactly mean...

I certainly understand the ramifications of J/S being revoked and hope that it is never done at UAL. That is why I am responding this thread ref my previous posts..

Thank you
Birdman

It means what the level headed guys have been saying. Trying to "control" your world being denying jumpseats to "other" pilots will only cause distractions. Solution: shut down the jumpseat....

Of course companies will use "The peanut butter jar principle of management."

 

[fatboyplt]

Rez,
I believe I am one of the level headed ones you are writing about ref post 56 & 57. So I will not engage further discussion.

To all that read this post, I have made my thoughts known as I said I would concerning J/S problems to my flight office and above. The only way to square these problems is to bring them to the forefront and address accordingly. Hopefully this situation will subside immediately. I see that there is another thread currently speaking to this issue. I appreciate reading all the responses.
See you all on my or your J/S.

Thank you
Birdman
BTV

 

[8vATE]

Of course companies will use "The peanut butter jar principle of management."

Hey Rez...

That reference shows your history....

It was probably lost on alot of the readers if they hadn't been at USAirways...


That was a great read in Airwaves......
So true...

 

[Snake]

A few years back I was denied a jumpseat at MDW on a now defunct airline. When I showed up to the gate, the gate agent refused to let me talk directly to the captain. After everyone was boarded, she told me I was denied because the captain had stated that he was near MTW and would only be under by 150 lbs if I were in the jumpseat. Running out of options, I went over to the competitor. They welcomed me aboard and I told the crew what had just happen. As the captain listened, he reached into his flight bag and pulled out a manual. He called it their "Hit List". He told me that when something like this happens to one of their own, they get the name of the offending captain, airline, flight number and day of the offense. This persons name is now on a hit list. If he tries to jumpseat and his name is found, he is denied and told of the incident and the date and place the incident took place. "That way," he said, "we punish the individual and not the airline."

I think Ty Webb is full of Crap also.

 

[Andy]

As the captain listened, he reached into his flight bag and pulled out a manual. He called it their "Hit List". He told me that when something like this happens to one of their own, they get the name of the offending captain, airline, flight number and day of the offense. This persons name is now on a hit list. If he tries to jumpseat and his name is found, he is denied and told of the incident and the date and place the incident took place. "That way," he said, "we punish the individual and not the airline."

We (all pilots) need to get something like this implemented.

This thread has been great for reinforcing to me why I always want to live in domicile.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

We (all pilots) need to get something like this implemented.

This thread has been great for reinforcing to me why I always want to live in domicile.

Wow....everybody carrying a list. With no guidelines and policy. IN five years, EVERYBODY will be on SOMEBODY's list......

cute......

My 3 year old doesn't know this much spite.....

Fear of a j/s denial contributes or dictates where you live....?

 

[Snake]

Wow....everybody carrying a list. With no guidelines and policy. IN five years, EVERYBODY will be on SOMEBODY's list......

cute......

My 3 year old doesn't know this much spite.....

Fear of a j/s denial contributes or dictates where you live....?

What's wrong with that? I thought at the time and still do now that it was a pretty clever device to punish the jerks out there. If you J/S on most of the Alpa carriers, they check your name on the scab list. So I don't see any harm in a "Hit List", that is unless you are one of the jerks that has screwed someone over and they remember it. It's a small industry and you never know when the guy you punched in the nose is gonna punch back.

I think Ty Webb is full crap also.

 

[Boeingman]

Lists accomplish nothing. Almost always,those who act like children about the jumpseat, don't commute. Their fellow pilots bear the brunt of retaliation.

No wonder management plays us all as fools.

 

[Snake]

Lists accomplish nothing. Almost always,those who act like children about the jumpseat, don't commute. Their fellow pilots bear the brunt of retaliation.

No wonder management plays us all as fools.

How would this hurt fellow pilots? It is punishing the jerk, not the airline.

 

[Boeingman]

How would this hurt fellow pilots? It is punishing the jerk, not the airline.

What are the odds that someone on the list will show up? Sooner or later the denied will take it out on another pilot wearing the uniform of the airline. It has always worked that way.

In theory a workable pinpoint plan. In reality, it wouldn't make a difference.