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auspac

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Just got word that in the UAL computer system, TSA and Go Jets have priority over SkyWest which has priority over Mesa. I will be checking the gate area for any jumpseaters on the flights I work to ensure that SkyWest guys get on SkyWest flights first. Please look out for our commuters.
 
auspac said:
Just got word that in the UAL computer system, TSA and Go Jets have priority over SkyWest which has priority over Mesa. I will be checking the gate area for any jumpseaters on the flights I work to ensure that SkyWest guys get on SkyWest flights first. Please look out for our commuters.
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Hasnt that been the way its always going? The actual jumpseat yes that makes sense if its your companies bird your company gets the actual jumpseat. But if you are talking seats in back then no how UAL has it set up is the way it goes. Much like Airways has its system. Mainline guys, Wholly owns, express carriers are at the end. Just the way it should be.

If you are talking a mainline flight and what not then yes Mainline should get it, and if UAL policy is TSA/Go then SKW then taht's how it is. Deal with it!
 
No, no one has priority over SkyWest employees on SkyWest aircraft on the United Express side. On mainline United, yes, SkyWest is lower in priority than a few regionals.
 
Obviously, it depends on whose metal the flight is operated on. Each Express carrier has their own UAL side priority and the individual J/S priorities are spelled out in Apollo. I posted SKW's a while back here.

I'm not at work, so I can't look...but I believe UAL mainline J/S goes as follows:

UA Pilot
UA dispatcher
UAX pilot (by check-in time)
UAX dispatcher (by check-in time)
OAL pilot (by check-in time)
OAL dispatcher (by check-in)

I don't believe any preference is given as to which UAX carrier the jumpseater works for...just whoever requested the jumpseat first. Then again, I could be way off...I haven't looked at the priority lists in a while.

If anyone has access to Apollo, the command line is S*UAL/UAX-OMC or, for mainline I think it is S*UAL/UA-OMC ...otherwise, I will look when I get a couple spare minutes tomorrow.
 
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WalterSobchak said:
Obviously, it depends on whose metal the flight is operated on. Each Express carrier has their own UAL side priority and the individual J/S priorities are spelled out in Apollo. I posted SKW's a while back here.

I'm not at work, so I can't look...but I believe UAL mainline J/S goes as follows:

UA Pilot
UA dispatcher
UAX pilot (by check-in time)
UAX dispatcher (by check-in time)
OAL pilot (by check-in time)
OAL dispatcher (by check-in)

I don't believe any preference is given as to which UAX carrier the jumpseater works for...just whoever requested the jumpseat first. Then again, I could be way off...I haven't looked at the priority lists in a while.

If anyone has access to Apollo, the command line is S*UAL/UAX-OMC or, for mainline I think it is S*UAL/UA-OMC ...otherwise, I will look when I get a couple spare minutes tomorrow.
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It was recently changed in the UAL computer system, and it's exactly like the OP said.

Basically if SKW, mesa, and colgan crews have an offline jumpseater, they will want to take a look around the gate area to verify that they are not leaving one of their own behind.

I know SKW and mesa GOM's specify that company pilots have JS priority...flock the gate agent and her computer, the GOM is all you need.
 
If you ever have a problem, just call dispatch and we will be more than happy to help straighten a gate agent out.
 
Pilots got the memo today. Priority on all UA and express codeshare flights is #1 UAL #2 TSA/GoJets #Skywest/Chatauqua/Shuttle #4 Mesa/Colgan.

This changes little on mainline as far as I'm concerned because every single time I'm about to go down with paperwork in hand as the door closes here comes running a pair of UA pilots and I'm off looking for the next flight. But GoJets has priority over everyone but a UAL pilot in EVERYONE'S jumpseat. Now that's something to be irate about.
 
I will try to look more into this, but SkyWest specifically gives up other non-rev/jumpseating perks in order to keep priority on SkyWest operated aircraft. I can't see this changing and not having a bulletin posted on SWOL by the Travel/Benefits department about it.
 
Morale at United is a sinking ship (just ride the parking lot shuttle in DEN, you'll get an earfull). The company is trying to take everyone else associated with them down with them as well.
 
Spicepilots said:
Pilots got the memo today. Priority on all UA and express codeshare flights is #1 UAL #2 TSA/GoJets #Skywest/Chatauqua/Shuttle #4 Mesa/Colgan.

This changes little on mainline as far as I'm concerned because every single time I'm about to go down with paperwork in hand as the door closes here comes running a pair of UA pilots and I'm off looking for the next flight. But GoJets has priority over everyone but a UAL pilot in EVERYONE'S jumpseat. Now that's something to be irate about.
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This is only the priority in the UAL computer system...it does not change the ACTUAL priority per the GOM.

While the memo wasn't crystal clear on that, it's purpose in my opinion was to alert us to the change in the UAL computer system, NOT to notify us that our priority has been changed per SKW policy.
 
rickair7777 said:
This is only the priority in the UAL computer system...it does not change the ACTUAL priority per the GOM.

While the memo wasn't crystal clear on that, it's purpose in my opinion was to alert us to the change in the UAL computer system, NOT to notify us that our priority has been changed per SKW policy.
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I'm not sure what you all are complaining about, you lost the right to your own jumpseats on your own aircraft? We are talking the one jumpseat in the flight deck right? If you are talking open seats in the back then the previous priority chart makes perfect sense. But if for some reason you are saying your jumpseat has and is now given to others before your own company that would not make sense.
 
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Spicepilots said:
But GoJets has priority over everyone but a UAL pilot in EVERYONE'S jumpseat. Now that's something to be irate about.
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This part is incorrect. On OO equipment, OO pilots go first. I am sure that most other airlines are the same. From what I understand, the exception is TSA holdings pilots. Evidently TSA holdings ( Trans States and goo-jets) is giving the United pilots priority in their cockpit jumpseats over their own pilots. To sort of reciprocate, United is giving priority of their cockpit jumpseats to TSA holdings pilots over other express carriers. Why Mesa and Colgan got the big shaft, I don't know.

The tricky part to this is that the UAL computers are going to assign the TSA holding pilots a higher priority on ALL UAX flights. Gate agents will believe their computers, and will probably send the TSA pilots down the jetbridge first. However, what the computer says, and what your company manual says, are two different things. Your company manual wins. Make sure if you get caught up in this that you speak with the Captain!
 
rtmcfi said:
The tricky part to this is that the UAL computers are going to assign the TSA holding pilots a higher priority on ALL UAX flights. Gate agents will believe their computers, and will probably send the TSA pilots down the jetbridge first. However, what the computer says, and what your company manual says, are two different things. Your company manual wins. Make sure if you get caught up in this that you speak with the Captain!
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You just said above TSA has an agreement and then you say otherwise in your 2nd paragraph? If you are talking about SKW jumpseat and then a TSA got on it before a SKW person yes then that makes sense that company should get it before. But if you are talking a skywest plane and seats in the back and a TSA person getting on it before a SKW that makes sense. Its how MANY priority systems work out there. The seats in back your company has no control over. However mainline has it set up is how its set...... Jumpseat is the only thing your company can control as your company operates that AC.
 
rtmcfi said:
This part is incorrect. On OO equipment, OO pilots go first. I am sure that most other airlines are the same. From what I understand, the exception is TSA holdings pilots. Evidently TSA holdings ( Trans States and goo-jets) is giving the United pilots priority in their cockpit jumpseats over their own pilots. To sort of reciprocate, United is giving priority of their cockpit jumpseats to TSA holdings pilots over other express carriers. Why Mesa and Colgan got the big shaft, I don't know.
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Is it just me or does that sound like a very bad deal?
 
meyers9163 said:
You just said above TSA has an agreement and then you say otherwise in your 2nd paragraph? If you are talking about SKW jumpseat and then a TSA got on it before a SKW person yes then that makes sense that company should get it before. But if you are talking a skywest plane and seats in the back and a TSA person getting on it before a SKW that makes sense. Its how MANY priority systems work out there. The seats in back your company has no control over. However mainline has it set up is how its set...... Jumpseat is the only thing your company can control as your company operates that AC.
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I was refering to the cockpit jumpseat.
 
centralpilot said:
Is it just me or does that sound like a very bad deal?
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Depends how you look at it. If you are a transstates holdings pilot, and you don't commute online, it is an ok deal. If your home city was served only by mainline, and there are alot of other UAX commuters, you just passed them in priority.
 
Giving the UAL pilots priority in the cabin would sound more logical than the jump seat??? That however is even a stretch of the imagination. If any captain of any of the regionals gives jump seat priority to a UAL pilot over their own company employee, than that captain needs to have their priority's set straight!!!!

I know in the past, the USair agreement use to be Mainline pilots got priority in the Cabin. Company employees always got priority over mainline regarding the jump seat. Now Employees of the flying airline have priority over Mainline all the way around.
 
The problem at many stations is they are operated by UAL or Air Whisky or Comair and they don't give a crap about what the SkyWest FOM says. Often times agents won't let a jumpseater down to talk to the captain. That's why on turns I will make every effort to walk up the jetbridge and let myself be seen in the gate area, and hopefully any jumpseaters will be able to approach me. I'm not going to let TSA or Go Jets or UAL mainline in my jumpseat ahead of a company pilot and my FOM backs me up on that. The hard part is often getting by the over worked gate agent who doesn't have time to deal with it.
 
auspac said:
The problem at many stations is they are operated by UAL or Air Whisky or Comair and they don't give a crap about what the SkyWest FOM says. Often times agents won't let a jumpseater down to talk to the captain. That's why on turns I will make every effort to walk up the jetbridge and let myself be seen in the gate area, and hopefully any jumpseaters will be able to approach me. I'm not going to let TSA or Go Jets or UAL mainline in my jumpseat ahead of a company pilot and my FOM backs me up on that. The hard part is often getting by the over worked gate agent who doesn't have time to deal with it.
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Isnt this how it happens any ways? If not perhaps your fellow pilots should call your scheduling department ahead of time and get placed on that jumpseat. Then the gate agent would not matter? Makes sense to me! Now if its last second and then your pilot comes up as the door is closing I would have to say the hell to ya and whoevers there is there. Not going to let them wait to the last second and boot someone who got their early. But that's me.
 
meyers9163 said:
Now if its last second and then your pilot comes up as the door is closing I would have to say the hell to ya and whoevers there is there. Not going to let them wait to the last second and boot someone who got their early. But that's me.
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And as soon as you upgrade you can do just that!
 
meyers9163 said:
Oh ok? How about you get your ass where you need to be ahead of time instead of screwing someone if the flight is full? Novel concept ass clown.
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Azz clown, the goal is to leave on time and arrive on time, guess you never had to park in the penalty box,
oh wait there is no penalty box in MSFS.
PBR
 
Does anyone else wonder why TSA and HoJet are getting priority over the other carriers, or is it just me?
 
platinumclub said:
Does anyone else wonder why TSA and HoJet are getting priority over the other carriers, or is it just me?
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Ummm, did you not read the posts in here? it was answered by someone. Go back and read the posts...
 

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