UAL/CAL Scope Arbitration Decision?

[nimtz]

Wow. Yup I was wrong. Very wrong. Congrats to the UAL/CAL pilot group. Beat a very smart lawyer at his own game.

Eat Crow young whipper snapper. Any more lessons to give us under educated mainline fools?!? Let me guess, you picked Texas to go to the Fiesta Bowl this year too right?

To the Skywest and yes even Republic guys. Just remember that Uncle Jerry told you he was positive that proposed 70 seat flying was NOT a violation of CAL scope clause. Well Uncle Jerry's word is now wrong. Seems like he can eat crow too. Botom line, you fly 70 seaters out of CAL hubs under CAL flt # then you are in direct violation of arbitrated scope decision. Yeah go fly it if you insist that you have no choice, but don't expect me to look at you with anything but disgust...

 

[princeton]

I guess that makes you a scab like me then!

Why? Not as long as you're doing it in a 50 seater.

 

[bluefin]

My guess, if it was in favor of the union we would have heard about it already. It probably went for the company and the mec is, "evaluating all options". I hope I am wrong.

I was wrong!!!! that has never happened before . This should be the wake up call, shot across the bow, that scope is non-negotiable and a strike item!!!!!

 

[rogerdoger]

Why? Not as long as you're doing it in a 50 seater.

I'm just joking. It seams these bitter old CO pilots like to throw the scab label at SkyWest pilots without restraint. When in fact half of there pilots are scabs in the first place.

 

[rogerdoger]

To the Skywest and yes even Republic guys. Just remember that Uncle Jerry told you he was positive that proposed 70 seat flying was NOT a violation of CAL scope clause. Well Uncle Jerry's word is now wrong. Seems like he can eat crow too. Botom line, you fly 70 seaters out of CAL hubs under CAL flt # then you are in direct violation of arbitrated scope decision. Yeah go fly it if you insist that you have no choice, but don't expect me to look at you with anything but disgust...

Blah Blah Blah... get over yourself.

 

[nimtz]

Blah Blah Blah... get over yourself.

Why cause dopes like you told us repeatedly we were wasting our time defending the only outstanding part our contract? Good thing we don't listen to little boys that make noise. Adios...

 

[rogerdoger]

Why cause dopes like you told us repeatedly we were wasting our time defending the only outstanding part our contract? Good thing we don't listen to little boys that make noise. Adios...

Righttt. First of all I have never said that. Secondly I am happy the court ruled in your favor. Lastly, dont be disgusted with SkyWest pilots. Instead be disgusted with both of our managments for letting it get to this.

 

[Flopgut]

I'm just joking. It seams these bitter old CO pilots like to throw the scab label at SkyWest pilots without restraint. When in fact half of there pilots are scabs in the first place.

Bitter?! We won. What's there to be bitter about? Look, you just need to go to your company and tell them you don't want to violate a lawful scope clause. BTW: where did you get that guppy killer bag sticker? I want to get one with your airplane on it... Sorry, couldn't resist....

*edit: Actually, I couldn't imagine putting a sticker like that on my bag. No matter how bad things might have gotten. I can't believe so many of you guys have those guppy killer stickers....

 

[777forever]

Man I just can't get over that BOOTY.

Badonkadonk!

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

Yeah, its gonna be done with Skywest CRJ-200's for now. Weather the IAH base remains open is up to question now.

Not 100% sure, but as I read the T& P Agreement, there can be no base openings in either UAL or CAL bases by the other carriers etc. I'm not sure if an IAH base can be opened by a UAL complimentary or code share carrier.

Yogi

 

[rogerdoger]

Bitter?! We won. What's there to be bitter about? Look, you just need to go to your company and tell them you don't want to violate a lawful scope clause. BTW: where did you get that guppy killer bag sticker? I want to get one with your airplane on it... Sorry, couldn't resist....

*edit: Actually, I couldn't imagine putting a sticker like that on my bag. No matter how bad things might have gotten. I can't believe so many of you guys have those guppy killer stickers....

I am happy you won. But you can't deny that you guys are still bitter about the whole situation in the first place. I hope you guys take back all jet flying. Even 50 seaters. That way we all have a better chance at getting a job at a major.

 

[nimtz]

Righttt. First of all I have never said that. Secondly I am happy the court ruled in your favor. Lastly, dont be disgusted with SkyWest pilots. Instead be disgusted with both of our managments for letting it get to this.

So by your logic one could only have anger towards Frankie Lorenzo and not the '83 heroes for busting the strike back in the day. Thanks for the insight to the discussion! Good night neophyte...

 

[bender]

Bitter?! We won. What's there to be bitter about? Look, you just need to go to your company and tell them you don't want to violate a lawful scope clause. BTW: where did you get that guppy killer bag sticker? I want to get one with your airplane on it... Sorry, couldn't resist....

*edit: Actually, I couldn't imagine putting a sticker like that on my bag. No matter how bad things might have gotten. I can't believe so many of you guys have those guppy killer stickers....

I've never seen one of those stickers at SKW. In fact, I've never seen one of those stickers on any bags.

 

[whymeworry?]

I'm just joking. It seams these bitter old CO pilots like to throw the scab label at SkyWest pilots without restraint. When in fact half of there pilots are scabs in the first place.

Bitter, no. We're fighters. But we don't expect you to get that. Certainly our mgmt doesn't.

Old? Dunno, that's a perception issue, I suppose. We hired a heck of a lot of 20-somethnigs during the last boom. I would estimate that more than 40% of our pilots are under the age of 40... if that's old to you, so be it.

Half of our pilots scabs? Hardly, most are gone (thankfully). The rest are far out-numbered. I don't have the latest figures but I would estimate less than 20% left are scabs, I've heard as little as 10%. Not sure there. But they're marginalized for sure. A scab would never get into a union-elected position these days, that's for sure. All that said, I will admit the scab-mentality has permeated into other areas of the pilot group over the years but those guys are coming around slowly.

As far as our issues with SKYW pilots. If you would've been forced into the base or forced into a trip here we would understand. But to those opportunists who bid into IAH, etc. Well, you guys will never get it. And we don't expect you to, however, you shouldn't expect anything but disdain from us as well. But that's all a moot point now that we won. Now lets see what next battle the company has in store for us.

 

[rtmcfi]

Congrats to ALL pilots on the ruling. It is nice to see labor win one every once in a while. I can tell you that the overwhelming response on the SkyWest company boards is one of relief. Except for some guys that commute from IAH, none of the SkyWest guys wanted a thing to do with the flying. I just hope that Smeigel doesnt find a way to beat this on appeal.