ual-awac......

[CaptBiff]

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come down from your high horse. pilots are glorifed bus drivers

 

[WhiteCloud]

I guess it's that ability to get along well with others that makes g159av8tor so special.

 

[Afixedwing]

Internal company memo.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank SkyWest, CHQ, Go-Jet, Mesa and all you other bottom feeding undercutting sh!thole airlines that have made this possible. Without you all we could never have gotten to where we are today. You have succeeded in getting rid of one of the last decent jobs at the regional level - but hey you will upgrade that much sooner and be able to go a major! Enjoy your time with UAL and keep up the good work! I hope that you all never have to go through what you are putting us through now. Good luck!

CHQ didn't bid on any of Air Whisky's UAL Flying. Leave us out of it. However, we just lost 15 aircraft with Airways because of you guys.

 

[DirkkDiggler]

US Airways, AmWest deal?



Dawn Gilbertson
The Arizona Republic
Apr. 9, 2005 12:00 AM

[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]America West Airlines CEO Doug Parker has repeatedly said the Tempe airline wants to be a player in the expected consolidation of the troubled industry.

One industry analyst said Friday that America West may have bankrupt US Airways in its sights.

JP Morgan airline analyst Jamie Baker said in a report that there is "early speculation" on a proposed America West/US Airways "linkage." He provided no details.

This is not the first time America West's name has come up as a possible partner for the struggling East Coast carrier, but Baker's wording and the fact that he included the speculation in his report seem to suggest it's more than just idle chatter.

America West spokeswoman Elise Eberwein reiterated Parker's comments that a shakeout is inevitable for the industry's long-term survival. But she said that at this point any talk of an America West deal with US Airways is "only speculation," and that the company does not comment on speculation. US Airways did not return calls for comment.

America West made a run at another struggling airline, ATA Airlines, late last year but decided against making a formal bid for the because it couldn't put together a deal that made financial sense. A big obstacle was the cost of acquiring the Indianapolis carrier's planes. ATA ended up in a deal with Southwest.

At the time of the America West-ATA talks, one analyst who was opposed to that deal said a merger with US Airways would make more sense.

A key attraction, observers say, is the marriage of America West's West Coast-heavy operations and US Airways' East Coast emphasis.

Given the industry's fuel price and airfare woes, however, most see more challenges than benefits to any significant deal at this stage.

The most immediate obstacle is money. America West and most other airlines are losing millions right now and need every penny for their operations. In the same report, Baker says America West will face a crash crunch by the end of the year. He said America West, which ended 2004 with unrestricted cash and investments of $306 million, could be down to as low as the $60 million range. It needs to raise a minimum of about $100 million, but Baker added it should be able to do that.

Robert Mann, an airline industry consultant in Port Washington, N.Y., said the economics don't seem right at this point. If anything, a code-sharing deal would seem to make more sense. Under code sharing, airlines link their networks and feed each other passengers. It enables them to increase their business without the added costs of new cities or the hefty expenses of a merger.

Another possible player in any deal could be Phoenix-based Mesa Air Group and its chairman, Jonathan Ornstein. Mesa is best known locally as America West Express, but it also flies as US Airways Express.

In the wake of recent large investments in US Airways by two of its other commuter partners, Mesa has said it is considering an investment in the airline. Mesa has about $300 million in cash.

Despite analyst reports this week suggesting Mesa is no longer a player on that front because of developments involving the other players, Ornstein said Friday the company still is considering ways to help US Airways return to profitability.[/font]
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[100LL... Again!]

This whole idea of 'working together" is just crap.

Look at yourselves. Suppose a new pilot can go work at gojet (when they start) or else Eagle (pretty much stagnant, right?).

Now, if the industry recovers a little, who gets to move up? The guy who is stuck in the right seat of a turboprop for four years (or way more)? Or the guy who upgraded to jet PIC in 1.5 years? I'll give you one guess.

So, in order to satisfy all of your 'ideals' on how we should hold out for good pay, what does that give us? Your undying admiration? Meanwhile, other "bottom-feeder" pilots (redundant phrase, that) are much more viable when things improve because of their better paper qualifications.

What are YOU doing to ensure that those who are trying to hold up your mythical bar actually end up with something to show for it?

Answer: Nothing.

We all have our own interests to look out for, and I will be d-mned before I am going to worry about satisfying the selfish (and illogical) desires of a bunch of people who see me as nothing but a pawn in the bar-holding-up game.

When you have something to offer in return for me giving up advancement opportunities other than your warmest wishes, let's talk. Until then, the race-to-the-bottom whiners can go screw themselves.

 

[pilotpayne]

CHQ didn't bid on any of Air Whisky's UAL Flying. Leave us out of it. However, we just lost 15 aircraft with Airways because of you guys.

Hey don't blame us where are just playing the game....As we all have said we don't want to displace anyone out of the u air system. But yonited started the snowball not awac.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

How does a 1.40-1.60=$1.00 more an hour?

OK Cheez, here it goes: 1.60-1.40=.20 per hr difference X 24 hrs in a day=4.80 per calendar day. So is it safe to assume an average flight pay day to be about 5 hrs. Now we take the 4.80 and divide it by the 5 hr avg day. That comes out to .96 per flight hr. Now I guess you were right, it's approx .96/hr not 1.00. Sorry, I'll use a calculator next time.

Yogi

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

Yogi,

Are you serious that you include per diem as income? Are you just cheap? Because a buck sixty is nothing to brag about. It's actually really embarrassing and pathetic. You don't even get the government IRS rate. Last time I checked, my employer pays me per diem to eat well and healthy while I'm out of domicile. Your mentality is "regional" at best. I guess I'm paid well enough as a professional pilot not to include per diem in my earnings. I live well and I can afford things and stuff not including my per diem as income. Really, I try to spend it all on the road to eat well. What I don't spend, however, my girlfriend spends on shoes. So, whatever. Congratulations on the buck sixty an hour...tailwinds.

If you are finished belittling regional pilots, I'd like to defend my position. As previously said by Rogue 5, it is a financial comparison. The comparison was being made about total pilot compensation as a cost to the company, not as income. So please, go back to the corporate board and just hope you don't someday show up at my interview. Your attitude would not work well. We are ALL professionals here, although you may not act like one.

Yogi

PS. let me know how you feel the next time you sit around in an FBO for hours waiting for that corporate exec to finish the meeting and then being treated like the inferior person that you are to him/her. I've been there and done that. Oh, and let me know the next time you refuse to fly, and don't get fired. Hope your beeper is on vibrate, sounds like you'll need it someday...

 

[Morning Wood]

I'm not an expert and wasnt' there when it all happened, but my understanding is this. ARW had the 146's, Dash-8's, and ATP's when the split happened. Essentially, ACA got the 8's, UFS took the ATP's and AWAC got the 146's. If memory serves me correctly, ARW went from about 200 pilots to 80. Some pilots went to ACA and a few remain there (i think) and several went to UFS. Most went to the steet. Many of the 328's came from the merger with MAX Air in the late 90's. So, to answer your question, for most of the 90's, ARW consisted of just 18 BAe-146's. All indications are that those will all be retired over the next year.

Just another page in the history of Air Wisconsin.

Cool...thanks for the info. I can remember seeing ARW Metro's in ORD in
the late 70's and early 80's. Seems like they were parked over by what
are the F gates now, but I don't remember. I also remember seeing
the 146's in CWA in the early 90's before they got painted blue and gray.

 

[theo]

As sad as it sounds 100LL has a good point.
There is really nothing any of the individuals on this
board can do to stop the so called race to the bottom.
It is economics and until the tide turns we will continue
to see a correction to compensation rates. Eventually
an equilibrium will be reached and things will begin to
change and go the other way. I can understand why he
would do what he can to improve his lot in life. In this
environment shouldnt we all stay nimble on our feet and
seize opportunity where it may exist, while waiting for a better day?

 

[WhiteCloud]

As sad as it sounds 100LL has a good point.
There is really nothing any of the individulas on this
board can do to stop the so calle race to the bottom.
It is economicas and until the tide turns we will continue
to see a correction to compensation rates. Eventually
an equilibrium will be reached and things will begin to
change and go the other way. I can understand why he
would do what he can to improve his lot in life. In this
environment shouldnt we all should stay nimble on our feet and
seize opportunity where it may exist, while waiting for a better day?

I agree also. You gotta laugh at ALPA trying to get non members to sacrifice career advancement to save the industry. Holding the line 20 years ago by requiring that all flying by ALPA carrier X will be done by ALPA pilots on the airline X seniority list wasn't done and this is what they got. Sorry guys.