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In any of the situations above, is there anyway that Comair wins?
 
John Pennekamp said:
It's on the news in 'da ATL that Delta has said they're not interested.

This will have to become a hostile takeover. US Air is offering $1.25 on the dollar to the creditors for Delta stock. This may be interesting indeed.
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Delta's in BK - they will have little say. If I default on my mortgage, I can say that I don't want my house foreclosed on too.

This puts jobs security at the top the priority list for me. USAirways has jets4 jobs and this could spawn a whole new round of furloughs at the mainline level.
 
J32driver said:
Maybe not. If AirTran/JetBlue/Southwest can pick up some of the debris leftover by the merger, they may not fight too hard.

I'd bet JetBlue could be bought for some slots and gates at LGA and JFK. I'd bet AirTran could be bought by a US/Delta reduction of flying out of ATL. Southwest might be for it if US/Delta cough up 1/2 the PHL operation.

In short... if a merger reduces the number of airplanes in the hubs, the Low Cost Carriers may not stand in the way.
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Very True J32! What is kinda funny is that 4 years ago Delta Dropped all there prices against US Airways to try and put the final nail into there coffin (anyone remember that) only to have US Airways come back 4 years later and try a hostile takeover of Delta!!!! Too Too Funny!!!
 
I agree that a regional bloodbath will result if a merger happens. ASA and Comair will battle with Republic/CHQ, PDT and Mesa for the scraps as cost "synergies" are realized... If regional guys are interested in flying for a Legacy carrier some day, this will only delay things for them - fewer new seats for everyone. Good times.
 
doogie parker is trying to take over the universe and we're all along for the ride. if this happens i'm going back to janitor school, i'll lead a much happier existence.
 
On Your Six said:
I agree that a regional bloodbath will result if a merger happens. ASA and Comair will battle with Republic/CHQ, PDT and Mesa for the scraps as cost "synergies" are realized...
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I think you are correct. Some of the synergies will result in markets currently served by RJs going mainline. If USAir has 3-4 Rjs in market A and Delta also has 3-4 Rjs, all the sudden it might make more sense to have 3-4 mainline aircraft. Especially when the USAir 190s start to come online.
 
Actually, I think Piedmont would be realatively safe. Doug Parker has made no bones about it- he hates RJ's and is looking to shy away from them- hense the EMB-190 program. Also, I think Doug Parker is a fairly strait shooter and many steps ahead of Grinstien. As for furloughes......USAirways is losing 500+ pilots in the next two years to retirement, unless the age 65 law is passed. Even with that the majority of pilots are so bitter they want out at 60.

USAirways has expressed alot of interest in Delta for awhile now- remember in the early summer Doug called Grinstein? As for Atlanta, supposedly this is one of the primary reasons Doug wants Delta- or at least a part of it. We shall see............
 
BoilerUP said:
Wish I had bought a metric crapload of LCC stock yesterday...stock is up OVER 15% right now...
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Air Wisconsin's owners have made more than $36 million today since the announcement. That Debtor in Possesion agreement seems to be a pretty sweetheart deal.... for management anyway.
 
I think that this merger will lead to an overall reduction in cpacity with less flights to some city pairings operated with larger, more efficient aircraft (787) and/or a 737NG mk.II using more composite construction. Could this be the end of RJ mania? It would make sense from a cost point of view to have more larger aircraft flying with more seats, and perhaps a return to more turboprop feeder operations, again using new techology.
Is it possible that we may be seeing the beginning of a re-invention of the wheel in the airline industry. The airlines have been plagued by over-capacity and low yields per seat mile for years. Long before 9-11 the current paradigm has been obsolete, and consolidation is long overdue. Of course, the employees and the flying public will suffer in the process as the airlines spasm toward some as yet unknown "new order" for the 21st century.

Regards,

ex-Navy Rotorhead
 
General Lee said:
Delta says focused on emerging as stand-alone carrier


NEW YORK, Nov 15 (Reuters) - Delta Air Lines (DALRQ.PK: Quote, Profile, Research), which got a takeover offer from US Airways Group (LCC.N: Quote, Profile, Research) valued at $8 billion, is focused on emerging from bankruptcy as a stand-alone carrier, a spokeswoman said on Wednesday.
"As we have said all along, Delta is focused on emerging as a stand-alone company," spokeswoman Betsy Talton said.


Bye Bye--General Lee
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You gonna need some Union Generals now...Bobby Lee
 
WSurf said:
New uniforms for the Future Merger!! All Pilots will be wearing the Silver Jump Suits with the Big Red 'V' on the chest......... It will also come with a pair of silver boots!!!! Its the future, and we gotta be ready!!!
Naval Officer/Delta Uniforms are the past!!! We have to look to the future now!!!
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LMAO!! I wonder if we would all become lizards under our human skin?
 
Since alot of Delta's senior pilots took early retirement, you know that the senior USAir boys are licking their chops thinking about flying their newly acquired 777s around the world!
 
80for80 said:
Since alot of Delta's senior pilots took early retirement, you know that the senior USAir boys are licking their chops thinking about flying their newly acquired 777s around the world!
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For every pilot that retired, the rest of the pilots moved up a number. Delta still has senior pilots, they are just a little younger now.
 
80for80 said:
Since alot of Delta's senior pilots took early retirement, you know that the senior USAir boys are licking their chops thinking about flying their newly acquired 777s around the world!
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Something tells me they really don't give a #%@ about that. The senior USAir pilot I know wants nothing more than to quietly finish out his career and live the rest of his life. They've been through a lot and I'd say they are pretty much "over it."
 
I don't see how this gets past the Gov. They would have to shrink the combind airline by 20 or 30%. They compete on vertually every route in the east. Many in the West and Midwest. They would have to close the CLT hub, probably the Salt Lake City Hub.

This would be bad for all the employees but I won't matter because it won't happen. -Bean
 
yea im sure the PDT/PSA guys gotta love this one!!, That flow through that was not really ever there, but destroyed completely by the AWst/USair Merge, now is deader than dead. The good old PDT MEC blowing smoke "we need to work with America West and the US mec", haahhahah lets hear them be optimistic about this one.
 
Metro752 said:
You gonna need some Union Generals now...Bobby Lee
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Wow, that was a genius remark. It will still be called Delta if this even goes through, and most of the USAIr guys are ready to retire. Age 65 won't happen for a few years thanks to the Democrats in Congress. So, what is your point again? Bobby Lee?

And, since yields and RASM have gone up lately, mainline planes would probably not be in the capacity decrease if a merger happened, meaning RJs would be parked. Why have 10 flights a day to FAY from ATL and CLT? Larger markets that have mainline planes would keep them because they can fill them with higher fares, but smaller cities would lose out, and so would the regionals, Bobby Lee. Even the Anal-cysts on CNBC predict that.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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I feel like I am getting smooshed between two fat girls...this sucksssss....
 
General Lee said:
Wow, that was a genius remark. It will still be called Delta if this even goes through,

Bye Bye--General Lee
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ahahhahahhaha, good one general, ahahahahaha

you think you have a say in what this would be called, im sure DP, would name it USair, just to stick it too ya. This is a TAKEOVER not a merger.
 
Terrain Terrain said:
ahahhahahhaha, good one general, ahahahahaha

you think you have a say in what this would be called, im sure DP, would name it USair, just to stick it too ya. This is a TAKEOVER not a merger.
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Read the press releases. One of the first things mentioned in each of them is that the new company would retain the Delta name. It's all about branding and Delta has a more recongizable name worldwide.
 
michael707767 said:
For every pilot that retired, the rest of the pilots moved up a number. Delta still has senior pilots, they are just a little younger now.
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I know that. It just means that when you are merged by DOH, all the senior US guys will bid over and take all the 777 flying from current DAL pilots.
 

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