U.S. Air pilot denying AA jumpseaters

[waveflyer]

"US Airways pilots are sensitive about seniority integration. In 2005, US Airways merged with America West. A 2007 seniority ruling by arbitrator George Nicolau led to a rift between the two pilot groups, commonly referred to as "the east" and "the west."
The underlying problem is that the ruling is unfair to nearly 1,000 east pilots. At its most contentious point, it places a 56-year-old pilot with 17 years at US Airways, never laid off, behind a 35-year-old America West pilot with a few months on the job. In many other cases, US Airways pilots with 15 or more years at the carrier went behind America West pilots with just a few years."

Tries to explain this to non industry types.... Pretty futile

 

[Dornier 335]

When was the last time a west pilot denied the j/s to an east pilot?

 

[BUDDHA145]

redneck from the appalachians

Wow that narrow it down! I saw him earlier!

 

[SWA Bubba]

There used to be a guy on this forum who was proud of denying his JS to pilots of carriers that weren't unionized (JetBlue and Virgin). You guys remember Fubijakr? He was an Alaska guy, and we went round and round over it. He swore he was doing ALPA's secret bidding. I wonder whatever happened to him. What the hell's up with these guys?

Bubba

 

[livin'thesim]

There should definitely be a union place in process to discipline such childish behavior.

There are only a few people I would not allow in my jumpseat:

1) Line-crossers (if I had a way to identify them)

and

2) PFT losers who turn around and think they are big union heroes, who have never walked a line and are just posing as real airline pilots. And wouldn't probably fit in the jumpseat anyway.

 

[SWA Bubba]

There should definitely be a union place in process to discipline such childish behavior.

There are only a few people I would not allow in my jumpseat:

1) Line-crossers (if I had a way to identify them)

and

2) PFT losers who turn around and think they are big union heroes, who have never walked a line and are just posing as real airline pilots. And wouldn't probably fit in the jumpseat anyway.

Dare we ask?

Bubba

 

[Turtle21]

When was the last time a west pilot denied the j/s to an east pilot?

Would you like you answer in AM/PM or in 24hr Mil format?

P.S. The whole point to publicizing the denied jump seat stuff is to show folks how ridiculous it is, in order to unify pilots to do the right thing (i.e. We aren't supposed to be trying to divide each other while the leadership is unifying us. ).

Back to business as usual!

 

[Fred]

There used to be a guy on this forum who was proud of denying his JS to pilots of carriers that weren't unionized (JetBlue and Virgin). You guys remember Fubijakr? He was an Alaska guy, and we went round and round over it. He swore he was doing ALPA's secret bidding. I wonder whatever happened to him. What the hell's up with these guys?

Bubba

He was fired. Or given the opportunity to retire, which he did.
If you are denying jumpseats, chances are you are treating other employee
groups just as bad. It eventually will catch up with you. Call it Karma.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

He was fired. Or given the opportunity to retire, which he did.
If you are denying jumpseats, chances are you are treating other employee
groups just as bad. It eventually will catch up with you. Call it Karma.

Wow--interesting. I was wondering why that dumbass hadn't posted in a while. Is he the one that got "the opportunity to retire" from a trip he couldn't drop..so he calls in sick mid-trip and then jump seats to the wedding he wanted to attend? The irony and karma is delicious. He fvcks around with the j/s and then loses his job for j/sing when he shouldn't.

 

[Dornier 335]

Latest intel is that he hang up on USAPA twice when they called him about it. Possible prior issues with USAPA.

[adding fuel to fire = ON]

(A possible disgruntled East/West alliance?)

[adding fuel to fire = OFF]

 

[SWA Bubba]

He was fired. Or given the opportunity to retire, which he did.
If you are denying jumpseats, chances are you are treating other employee
groups just as bad. It eventually will catch up with you. Call it Karma.

Nice. Karma IS real. And she's a bee-yotch.

Bubba

 

[Dornier 335]

Back to business as usual!

In the line of "Divided we stand, united we fall" or something like that?

 

[Dornier 335]

Nice. Karma IS real. And she's a bee-yotch.

Bubba

Bubba,

not trying to tell you what to do, but don't you think it's time to change your disclaimer? It's been a while...

Just sayin'

 

[Skank]

Jumpseat should belong to the company not the Capt. I've had several old timers from American kick me off since being in the majors and each time was a bunch of BS. Situations like this and my experiences would be avoided if the company controlled the jumpseat.

Really? Do you think the company will act more responsibly? Based on what? There are so many reasons why the decision has to stay with the Captain that I won't even bother to mention them all. I will say it starts with CRM.

 

[Superbird]

It is surprising to hear that an EAST pilot would be unprofessional, filled with anger and contempt another pilot group, and project his misfortune onto others as some type of justified action.

Oh wait, my mistake. Par for the course in this case. Way to set a shining example of the usapa mentality.

 

[Dornier 335]

It is surprising to hear that an EAST pilot would be unprofessional, filled with anger and contempt another pilot group, and project his misfortune onto others as some type of justified action.

Oh wait, my mistake. Par for the course in this case. Way to set a shining example of the usapa mentality.

Not defending anybody here, but have you ever asked yourself how it sounds on the other side of the fence?

 

[Superbird]

Not defending anybody here, but have you ever asked yourself how it sounds on the other side of the fence?

The other side of the fence is occupied by apathy and a radical minority who controls the apathetic mentality. The other side of the fence is where EAST pilots cower to the said minority. The other side of the fence is an embarrassment and actions like this make both sides look bad. Until somebody from the other side of the fence stands up to these clowns, nothing will change.

Fortunately, usapas days are numbered and the insane asylum will no longer make decisions for the group.

 

[becket]

The other side of the fence is occupied by apathy and a radical minority who controls the apathetic mentality. The other side of the fence is where EAST pilots cower to the said minority. The other side of the fence is an embarrassment and actions like this make both sides look bad. Until somebody from the other side of the fence stands up to these clowns, nothing will change.

Fortunately, usapas days are numbered and the insane asylum will no longer make decisions for the group.

Yep. USAPA out USAPA'd itself into oblivion.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Not defending anybody here, but have you ever asked yourself how it sounds on the other side of the fence?

Has the other side of the fence ever asked itself,"Isn't it time we gained some perspective and worked WITH some of our fellow pilots instead of against them (and ourselves)?"

 

[SWA Bubba]

Bubba,

not trying to tell you what to do, but don't you think it's time to change your disclaimer? It's been a while...

Just sayin'

You know Dornier, at first, I didn't know what you were talking about. I was thinking that "I don't have a signature; the mods seemed to take that function away a few years ago." Then I noticed the way you phrased it, as a "disclaimer," and that sounded familiar; like the way my last one read. So I went to my User CP and under signature, was this:

This space for rent.

Legal disclaimer: DON'T say anything negative about Fubijaakr. My insurance doesn't cover lawsuits.

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All this time, it's been at the bottom of my posts? I had no idea. It's been invisible to me, and I assumed to everyone else. And actually, Dornier, it HAS been a while--just over two years. Apparently, the mods "settled" my little tiff with Fubijaakr (I didn't even remember how to spell his name until I read the signature box on CP just now) by removing the ability of me, and I assume Fubi as well, to read signatures at the bottom of people's posts. I had two contradictory quotes of his from his posts on my signature, and that so infuriated him that he complained to the mods every day for a week or so. And apparently, that was their solution. He wouldn't be able to see what I wrote, and neither would I.

The rest of you guys all have signature blocks when you post? And you can see mine? I can only imagine what Flopgut's might say about me, but unfortunately, I can't see it!

How about it, mods? Now that Fubijaakr is gone, fired, deported, retired, whatever the hell he is, how about giving me back visibility on signature lines?

Bubba

P.S. Anyway, that signature is gone. Or at least I think it is. Let me know if it isn't.