Type Rating Question 61.157(g)(ii)(A)

[JAFI]

Well yes you can have a Commercial Type rating on a ATP if the aircraft (as an example) was a VFR only DC-3 that you took the exam in or you took the Type ride as a VFR only type rating. To have a ATP type rating you have to prove you can fly the aircraft IFR.

 

[A Squared]

Well yes you can have a Commercial Type rating on a ATP if the aircraft (as an example) was a VFR only DC-3 that you took the exam in or you took the Type ride as a VFR only type rating. To have a ATP type rating you have to prove you can fly the aircraft IFR.

Not the same thing. A "VFR only" limitation is not the same as a "commercial priveliges only" type rating, and you are correct that if you have a "VFR only" type rating on your commercial (or private) certificate, it will still be "VFR only" after getting an ATP. This also is addressed in 61.157(d). Except for type ratings with a "VFR only" limitation, there aren't different levels of type ratings. The standards for type rating tests are the same regardless of wherther you have a Private, Comm. or ATP pilot certificate. The priveliges you may exercise in that plane is determined by the grade of pilot certificate you have, not something about the type rating.

 

[Seadogrun]

one problem i see is that you only have 1300 hours,which means you don't hold an ATP. Which in turn means if you get a 737 type it could only be at the commercial level. not much good in my opinion.

If he is that close to ATP times it would be much better to build the 200 hrs and take the written before the type rating. Then upon completion of the Type ride he would get his type and ATP in one shot. The type ride will be to ATP stanadards reguardless. To me it would be silly to get a type rating then 200 hrs later take a seperate check ride for the ATP.

 

[FO4life]

A free type is a free type regardles of aircraft. my 2 cents.

 

[planedriver]

I'm in a hiring pool somewhere so I was trying to do this before I get called for class because once that happens I will no longer be eligible. I would love to get the ATP along with the type but I don't have the money to pay for 200 hours of flying on my own and again, once I start the new job and flying again, I will be ineligible for the WIA funds.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

If he is that close to ATP times it would be much better to build the 200 hrs and take the written before the type rating. Then upon completion of the Type ride he would get his type and ATP in one shot. The type ride will be to ATP stanadards reguardless. To me it would be silly to get a type rating then 200 hrs later take a seperate check ride for the ATP.

I was gonna suggest it too.

...but yeah, the TYPE on a COMM is good for when you acquire your ATP. It transfers, like ASqrd said. As a matter of fact, I recall one of the questions in the ATP bank addressing this as a question.

 

[A Squared]

A free type is a free type regardles of aircraft. my 2 cents.

There's no such thing as a free type rating, someone's paying for it.

 

[Fearless Tower]

Unfortunately, this "SIC type rating" foolishness has created a huge mess, because it bends the definition of "type rating" and the other regulations have not reflected this change. Eventually, this (hopefuly) will all get straightened out. In the meantinme, consider that the "sic type rating" is not a type rating at all and has absolutely no significance unless your certificates are being examined by an official of a foreign country where the SIC is required to be "rated" Other than that the "SIC type rating" counts for nothing, not even bragging rights.

A Squared, based on what you just said, what is the purpose of an SIC rating supposed to be and why does the FAA offer it?

I was recently reading about SIC ratings being offered in the DC-3.....now, in an aircraft like the DC-3 that requires 2 pilots and meets the criteria for requiring a type rating, is the SIC 'type rating' a valid credential for the second pilot or not?

 

[A Squared]

A Squared, based on what you just said, what is the purpose of an SIC rating supposed to be and why does the FAA offer it?

I was recently reading about SIC ratings being offered in the DC-3.....now, in an aircraft like the DC-3 that requires 2 pilots and meets the criteria for requiring a type rating, is the SIC 'type rating' a valid credential for the second pilot or not?

Some other countries requre both pilots in an airplane to be "rated" in the aircraft. A few years back, some started enforcing this on US airline crews. In response, the FAA created the "SIC type rating" to meet that requirement. The rating has absolutely no significance if you don't fly outside of the United States.

 

[Fearless Tower]

So, in an aircraft such as the DC-3, both pilots need to be PIC type rated, or am I misunderstanding the FARs?