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What type of work have you found?

  • Flying job (any full time)

    Votes: 260 48.3%
  • Military (active, guard, or reserve)

    Votes: 32 5.9%
  • non-flying job

    Votes: 102 19.0%
  • still out of work

    Votes: 144 26.8%

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    538
Gordo!
Check your PM for contact info - I'm at work, and my address book is in my laptop at home.

Sorry to all for the personal post.

Merry Christmas to everyone!!!!!!!
 
My own things...plus

After getting furloughed, there were a few routes to take for us former military types:

Hop back into active duty military (not for me)

Jump into the Guard or Reserve (not for me initially)

Do something else (my route).

I have done a combo of the above. First I played Mr. Mom. Then I realized I wasn't getting recalled in 6 months, so I did various jobs. Finally I realized I knew people with talents that could be harnessed and put to good use.

This good use is what we call consumer empowerment...Knolwedge is Power.

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Oh, on top of making a great living empowering people, I'm also now a Guard part-timer...must get the flying fix.

See
 
I find it interesting when I read through the 'military transition' postings and read about the military not giving a crap about families as a reson to leave AD and go to the lines. For all you f'd pilots out there, tell me how much the lines care about your families when they let you go with no pay...especially when you've been doing your job to standard and above standard. At least in the MIL, when you're doing your job to par or above and they let you go (RIF), they give you a severance. I'm posting this in the transitions forum too. Feedback should be interesting.
 
usmc--If anyone was looking for warm-fuzzies from the airlines, they were dead wrong. It's an ice cold business and you are meat.

I love the companies that whine and cry about you having no loyalty then s**tcan you at the slightest burp in the economy.

I'm lucky. I got 4 mos. of furlough pay and I just got hired at a local corporate job. But it's hard to get any joy from this when so many of my friends and "board buddies" are on the street.

I'm hoping and praying that everyone who wants a job finds it--and keeps it. Good luck all.TC
 
Well, here's another "hard luck" story. After 15 CONTINUOUS MONTHS of unemployment after having been laid off, I finally got a flying gig - with a price tag!

I'm being outsourced!!! Not a SINGLE interview with any US airline in all that time. Presumably I was not "competitive" enough whatever that means - only been flying jet transports the past 14 years, some international too, but clearly, not good enough to even warrant an interview. Now, for the SECOND time in 12 years, I'm headed overseas because that's where there is work for me. Aparently they don't give a s*&t how current you are, so long as you're typed and have >3000 hours experience, they don't care!! Isn't that amazing. Not only that, but I will be flying heavy iron, internationally, salary not great but good. Of course, I have to leave family and home (again). I wonder if I will be any "good" when I return down the road to find work with an AMERICAN company. It seems it's a crime for an American to want to work for an AMERICAN company. Why is it that most foreign lines are doing pretty well while we are still bleeding heavily here at home? Something is VERY wrong with this picture.

But I'm only doing what I've been forced to do. Also, it's "good" for the American economy, so I've been told. I fail to see how my foreign employment is going to help the American economy. It's only going to put additional stresses on an already difficult situation. Oh well, it's still better than enforced unemployment any day!!!

Good luck to those that remain and are still looking. Review all your options and go with what is best for you.
 
Keep in touch b757driver. Good luck. I certainly gave the overseas option a long look.

Some people are getting on at Orient Thai. I guess it's a good deal if you are into that side of the world. Take care.TC
 
Thanks AA717driver & viking 737 for yr wishes.

I apologise for not replying earlier but I've been a bit preoccupied with training the past month and have limited computer access where I am.

No, I'm not AA furloughed - I'm laid off from a company that went bust a couple of years ago. I'm currently working for Air Atlanta Icelandic and almost done with 767 simulator training before starting IOE on various ETOPs routes - a first for me! I'm in the first 767 class of the year and there are 6 US pilots including 1 furloughed 767 AA guy and another UAL furlough. The others are are from my previous company. It's quite a different gig than a "normal" airline but what is normal nowadays? Anyhow, it beats unemployment and you got to do what you got to do.

I did look @ Orient Thai but the deal @ AAI was much better all round. Orient Thai is desparate for 757 guys but the pay sucks and you have to pay yr own way out plus yr own accommodation and yr own recurrent sim - approx $1800! No thank you. Where I am now they pay for everything. Can't say it's for everyone and it's far from ideal but it is a pretty flexible deal, so far. Ther is always a price to pay in this industry.

Still mazes me how after 15 months of nothing in the US, I can suddenly go from "not being competitive enough" to getting through an interview plus written tests to a job on a widebody flying all international. They don't seem to have that LOR or buddy buddy mentality here. If you got the ticket and the experience and are available and can be flexible, that's all it takes.

I'll keep you posted once I'm on line.

757 driver so to become 767 driver!:)
 
I'm an AA furloughee (in the last bunch in March).

I'm a hideously practical person, and unwilling to put in yet another year or two at slave-wages at another company which may or may not be a going concern in the long term. I'd already decided to take advantage of the Montgomery GI bill to go back to school to do something that was a) monetarily worthwhile and b) worthy of the kind of respect that I'd laughingly assumed I could find in aviation.

My wife, after putting in a year at school to get her pre-reqs out of the way, has been accepted at nursing school.

Long story short, I've decided, after much research, to sort of follow in her footsteps. That is, I'm going to get my own BS in nursing, then go on to become a nurse anesthetist. I'll have to spend a little time at school with some clueless 19 and 25-year olds, but in the end it'll be worth the trouble.

Years ago, after two painful years waiting for the AF to give me a classdate, I finally made it to UPT. Eleven years later, I left the AF. Six months later I got hired at AA. I was certain I knew what my career trajectory was going to be. But 9/11 happened, and along with everyone else, I was rudely awakened to reality.

Although I feel now that I've wasted the last 14 years of my life traveling down a blind alley, I also know that I'm not dead yet. I have a family, and will not subject either them or me to the nearly endless amount of preparation that becoming a medical doctor entails. But I can manage to become a nurse anesthetist in six years, and eventually enjoy the 100 to 250k salary that nurse anesthetists command.

Money, of course, isn't everything; I personally had decided to apply to med school 14 years ago---but then the AF finally called with a classdate, and that avenue closed off for me. So it goes. I no longer have the time to do now what I could've done 14 years ago, but I can get close.

And, eventually, unless AA goes the way of Eastern or Pan Am, the company will recall me from furlough. But by then I plan to have an extremely lucrative fall-back position. I never again will allow myself to be at the mercy of circumstance, criminals, or the economy. People will always need hospitals, no matter what happens in Afghanistan, Iraq, or New York.

I used to love to fly. I still like flying, but I refuse to end up as some burnt-out expat, divorced because he was never home. That's no way to live.

My point is only this: we're pilots, and all intelligent people. There are many things out there in this brave new world for intelligent people to do. Don't lose sight of the options.

Finally, I congratulate those of you who are or will be lucky enough to back the right aviation horse, and be able to retire after a full career at a company that makes all the right decisions. I congratulate you on your luck. It's a great gig if you can manage it.
 
Hey, good luck to you. Everywhere I fly to when I look in the paper, there seems to be lucrative nursing positions available. Some even have large signing bonuses. It seems they are always so short handed on nurses. You will have your pick of wonderful opportunities in that field for the rest of your career! I wish you the best.
 
MachPi,

Yeah, good luck in your new endeavors. You have taken the bull by the horns and taken POSITIVE action even though it's not in aviation. Flying is certainly not what it used to be and probably never will. The one thing I would advise any "young buck" coming up through the ranks, is to have something "worthwhile" to fall back on, if you insist in carrying on with aviation. This is a brutal industry as many have found out. Those lucky to still have a job are way beyong burnt out and always looking over their shoulders to see what's going to hit them next. In short, it is no longer fun and when that happens, it's time for a change.

I'm lucky that it evetually panned out for me - it took 15 months of unemployment and then I hit, but overseas. I joke that I've been outsourced, which I have. Once the dust settles, I plan on turning an interest/hobby into a sideline business because it's always easy to get another job whne you have one and you also have the resources with which to do that.

Once again, good luck, you have chosen a noble profession and there appears to be a great demand also (a key factor), I'm sure you will do just fine. Don't think of those years as "wasted" years. They are not. It's called the university of life and experiences. Nowadays, diversity and flexibility is king. :cool:
 
MachPi

I think you are making an excellent decision. CRNAs are in very high demand, so much so that in the area where I live they can earn up to 200K OR MORE per year. All that for three or four days (mornings) of work per week. And when you do get recalled by AA, you can most likely continue your CRNA work on your days off.

This industry needs folks like yourself who are smart enough to deversify their skills so that we can all negotiate from a position of strength. Too many pilots are just afraid (or they lack imagination) of putting themselves out there and doing something different. Good luck to you.
 
sucking off the gov teat and wanting gov intervention and control within free enterprize is a very dangerous thing guys, yall know that. And to be honest, this "I've done that before" and so I'd rather live off all the other people that actually work and pay taxes is total BS. Get off your bum and get a job. Right now, the very jobs that you are snobing are paying your unemployment. Disgusting.

Believe me, I have some idea how much you guys have invested in flight training, but still that attitude is weak. The guy that is working in AK, and the guy that drives tactors, I salute you.

The guy that is riding on his wifes shoulders is at least not a burden on the rest of us paying taxes, just his wife. That's his bis and we dont have to live with her, so I dont care.

On the flip side, I know most of you guys have already paid a lot of taxes so maybe you are well deserving of some interim help. But, government help is a very dangerous thing - as they always want something in return, such as your personal freedoms and a higher tax rate for the rest of us that are actually contributing.

I have a lot of respect for airline pilots, as both my father and grandfather both had successful flying careers at Delta and Eastern, respectively.

Hopefully as the US economy picks up, you guys will be back in the air, very soon. I wish you the best.
 
CRNAs wut do they do exactly?
 
crna:

What are Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetists (CRNAs)?
Nurse anesthesia is an advanced clinical nursing specialty. As anesthesia specialists, CRNAs administer approximately 65% of the 26 million anesthetics given to patients in the United States each year.

How Does a Nurse become a CRNA?
A nurse attends an accredited nurse anesthesia education program to receive an extensive education in anesthesia. Upon graduation, the nurse must pass a national certification exam to become a CRNA.

What does a Nurse Anesthesia Education Program Include?
A program will include 24 to 36 months of graduate course work including both classroom and clinical experience with:

  • The classroom curriculum emphasizing anatomy, physiology, pathophysiology, biochemistry, chemistry, physics and pharmacology as related to anesthesia.
  • The major clinical component providing experience with a variety of anesthesia techniques and procedures for all types of surgery and obstetrics.
All nurse anesthesia education programs offer a master’s degree. Depending on the particular program, the degrees are in nursing, allied health, or biological and clinical sciences.

What are the Requirements for Admission to a Program?
The requirements for admission are:

  • A bachelor’s of science in nursing or another appropriate baccalaureate degree. (Each program determines "appropriate" degrees and "approved" programs.)
  • A license as a registered nurse.
  • A minimum of one year of acute care nursing experience. (Each program determines what constitutes "acute care" nursing.)
Is Financial Aid Available for an Individual to Attend a Program?
Financial aid is available and varies by program. It is suggested that you contact several programs and ask them about the availability of tuition assistance, as well as the specific admission criteria. There is no financial aid available through AANA for those entering a nurse anesthesia education program.

What is the Role of An Individual CRNA?
A CRNA takes care of a patient’s anesthesia needs before, during and after surgery or the delivery of a baby by:

  • Performing a physical assessment
  • Participating in preoperative teaching
  • Preparing for anesthetic management
  • Administering anesthesia to keep the patient pain free
  • Maintaining anesthesia intraoperatively
  • Overseeing recovery from anesthesia
  • Following the patient’s postoperative course from recovery room to patient care unit.
CRNAs provide services in conjunction with other healthcare professionals such as surgeons, dentists, podiatrists, and anesthesiologists.

Where do CRNAs Practice?
CRNAs practice in a variety of settings in the private and public sectors and in the U.S. military, including traditional hospital operating rooms, ambulatory surgery centers, pain clinics, and physicians’ offices. They practice on a solo basis, in groups and collaboratively. Some CRNAs have independent contracting arrangements with physicians or hospitals.

What Employment Opportunities Exist for CRNAs?
CRNAs are in demand and therefore have many opportunities for general or specialty practice throughout the United States.

Reflecting the level of responsibility, CRNAs are one of the best paid nursing specialties. The reported average annual salary in 2001 was approximately $113,000.

Past, Present, Future of CRNAs
Nurse anesthesia is no longer the best kept secret in healthcare. Established in the late 1800s as the first clinical nursing specialty, nurse anesthesia developed in response to the growing need surgeons had for anesthetists. Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetists (CRNAs) and the American Association of Nurse Anesthetists (AANA) have played significant roles in developing the practice of anesthesia. Today, more than 30,000 CRNAs provide cost-effective, high-quality patient care that is essential to America’s healthcare system.

What Is the Role of the Individual CRNA?
Nurse anesthetists, pioneers in anesthesia, have been administering anesthesia for more than 100 years.

As anesthesia specialists, CRNAs take care of patients before, during and after surgical or obstetrical procedures. Nurse anesthetists stay with their patients for the entire procedure, constantly monitoring every important body function and individually modifying the anesthetic to ensure maximum safety and comfort.

How do CRNAs Impact Healthcare?
CRNAs are the sole anesthesia providers in more than two-thirds of all rural hospitals in the United States, affording some 70 million rural Americans access to anesthesia. CRNAs provide a significant amount of the anesthesia in inner cities as well.

CRNAs are qualified and permitted by state law or regulations to practice in every state of the nation.

Meeting the Needs of Tomorrow
CRNAs have a proud history of meeting the challenges of changing healthcare trends. The recent acceleration of managed healthcare services will provide additional opportunities and new challenges for these advanced practice nurses. CRNAs will continue to be recognized as anesthesia specialists providing safe patient care.

CRNAs Fully Use Their Training
During surgery, the patient’s life often rests in the hands of the anesthesia provider. This awesome responsibility requires CRNAs to fully utilize every aspect of their anesthesia education, nursing skills, and scientific knowledge. CRNAs vigilantly monitor the patient’s vital signs, regulate the anesthetic as necessary, analyze situations, make decisions, communicate clearly with the other members of the surgical team, and respond quickly and appropriately in an emergency.

"The future looks bright for CRNAs," according to 1999 AANA President Linda R. Williams, CRNA, JD. "CRNAs are a glowing example of how advanced practice nurses can be used to provide affordable, high-quality healthcare to the citizens of this country."

The shortage of CRNAs in the marketplace spells job opportunities. With hospitals and other healthcare facilities scrutinizing their bottom lines, CRNAs offer an attractive option for providing anesthesia care. Also of interest is the fact that approximately eight nurse anesthetists can be educated for the cost of one anesthesiologist. Competitively, this gives CRNAs an advantage over anesthesiologists in a scenario where manpower supply and costs to the government and society are issues.

It is not the policy of the Council on Accreditation of Nurse Anesthesia Educational Programs (COA), nor the American Association of Nurse Anesthetists, to rank nurse anesthesia educational programs. All accredited programs of anesthesia follow the same accreditation standards, policies and procedures as set forth by the COA. Once they are accredited, they have to maintain the accreditation through periodic reviews to ensure they are following the standards.
 
Hi to HAL

Hi Hal I am in china and the 5 year old 737,s are in worse shape than thew Navajo's. Its a job and and pays 6500.

So you still there.
 
OFFICIALLY, I am a piano player in a whorehouse. Wouldn't want my mother to know where I REALLY work.
 
b757driver said:
#4 - well, not exactly - living @ home with VERY UNDERSTANDING wife supporting me as the federal government keeps extending my unemployment benefits!

Did 737 type rating earlier this year with WIA funds. Passsed with flying colors, applied to targeted airlines/corporations, even non-flying jobs - absolutely no hits on OVER A YEAR. Have THREE ICAO ATPs with THREE jet type ratings but no jobs - not even an "equal opportunity" interview. Now that would be really nice. And they tell me it's a wonderful life. Really? More like a crap shoot!!
How in the world are you able to receive extended unemployment benefits ??? If I missed a loophole please fill me so I can be on the phone the next day. Missiouri has slamed the door in my face since Mar 27 of this year, when my uemployment claim period expired, and we're done with you. My company folded because of stupid fiscal irresponsibility yet my local workforce counselor tells me that I'm elligible for WIA $$$. Then she pulls the rug from underneath me and tells me that they won't fully fund me for any type rating training that would possibly make me competitive - 737, Citation, nada!! She claims that the state feels investing that kind of money in a "...declining industry" is too risky. The I get a whiplash when she offers "...would you like to get your instructor rating's?" and boom! she submitted me for over $8700 for all the CFI stuff. Now I'll be waiting until next March with my luck before the state gets off their duff and find a way to fund and disperse it.

...and so it goes
 
j328ernest said:
How in the world are you able to receive extended unemployment benefits ??? If I missed a loophole please fill me so I can be on the phone the next day. Missiouri has slamed the door in my face since Mar 27 of this year, when my uemployment claim period expired, and we're done with you. My company folded because of stupid fiscal irresponsibility yet my local workforce counselor tells me that I'm elligible for WIA $$$. Then she pulls the rug from underneath me and tells me that they won't fully fund me for any type rating training that would possibly make me competitive - 737, Citation, nada!! She claims that the state feels investing that kind of money in a "...declining industry" is too risky. The I get a whiplash when she offers "...would you like to get your instructor rating's?" and boom! she submitted me for over $8700 for all the CFI stuff. Now I'll be waiting until next March with my luck before the state gets off their duff and find a way to fund and disperse it.

...and so it goes
The CFI stuff is a waste unless you will get living expenses or something out of it. CFI pay is below McDonalds. It will keep you current though.....The only decent CFI gigs I was offered over the years was at Riddle.....
 

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