Two crashes in two days

[ILLINI]

Talk about some bad luck!

USA Today, Thurdsay, June 6, 2002

Pilot crashed plane a day after helicopter

A pilot killed in the crash of a small plane in Florida was at the controls of a helicopter that had rammed into a house the day before, authorities said. Michael Antinori, 30, was released from a hospital just hours before the fatal crash of his single-engine Cessna 172 on Tuesday. He had been treated for injuries from the crash of his helicopter, the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Department said. The plane crashed into in a cypress swamp about 20 miles northwest of Tampa after circling the area for about an hour. The flight pattern drew the attention of air traffic controllers, but radio calls to the plane drew no response. A police helicopter went up to monitor the plane. Antinori's helicopter had crashed into the roof of an unoccupied house Monday. Both crashes are under investigation.

 

[hyper]

This guy killed himself. This happened close to where I live and I have some fellow CFI buddies that know some details.


Whatever happened to jumping off a building? At least you're not taking some innocent people with you.

 

[Huck]

This keeps up and general aviation will be outlawed.....

 

[hyper]

My sentiments exactly.

 

[FLYnMONKEYS]

This guy killed himself. This happened close to where I live and I have some fellow CFI buddies that know some details.

What insight is that?

 

[hyper]

It's not a big deal, I'm just saying It wasn't an accident, the guy killed himself.....how much more insightful do you want me to get?

 

[FLYnMONKEYS]

It's not a big deal, I'm just saying It wasn't an accident, the guy killed himself.....how much more insightful do you want me to get?

Did he leave a note? Did he suck as a pilot, did he catch his wife cheating on him.....things like that...........I realize crashing two aircraft in 9.5 hours is hard to believe but I did read that the initial cause of the helo crash was engine failure.......Just wondering what these CFIs know that you can't get from the Tampa Tribune or the St. Pete Times

 

[Timebuilder]

Maybe the insight he was asking about is the info from your CFI buddies....

 

[hyper]

Timebuilder,

Gee, ya think?

flynmonkeys,

A couple of them knew him as they're at the same airport where he kept his plane, but I'm not going to be the one to walk on this guys grave on a public forum. Sure, they gave me a few opinions, but do I know them as cold, hard fact? Nope. Secondly, I'm too lazy to type it all out. Besides, the press will be all over it anyway. Dirty laundry sells.

http://www.tampatrib.com/MGA2CJXM22D.html

It doesn't look so unbelievable though.

 

[hyper]

Sorry Timebuilder. I see you guys posted about the same time..

 

[Timebuilder]

No problem.

I wasn't expecting you to trash the guy in public, but a liitle general info might have been helpful, especially if it was directly related to aviation, such as 'just lost dream job at a major, wife runs off with chief pilot, FBO goes banckrupt', or whatever.

If I get any POSTABLE info from my friend at the Tampa FSDO, I'll mention it.

 

[hyper]

I understand, I just figure the reasons don't really matter. I'm just pissed that someone used aviation once more as an out and left another black stain on the industry in the wake.

 

[Timebuilder]

I think that the reasons can matter, if they show us the stupidity, thoughtlessness, or error in judgement that cause a crash.

This one may count for all three.

 

[hyper]

That's my point. If it wasn't an accident....suicide is suicide. I don't think there's much to ponder here. What probably caused the crash was the desire to die.

 

[Timebuilder]

I think I haven't explained what I mean very well.

If people see how stupidity, thoughtlessness, or error in judgement can lead to a suicide, perhaps the reader can come away from an explanation of the events leading to the accident with an insight that can PREVENT a similar occurance.

Seeing the needless death of a pilot, in this case, and understanding what he thought were sufficient "demons" in his life that lead him to this decision, can enlighten others who might otherwise make the same mistake. That's why seeing the details, the illogical response to troubles, has a value besides knowing that the accident event was intentional.

It's a human factors lesson of the best kind.

 

[hyper]

reference....... http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3352

 

[Timebuilder]

Was that the right link, or are you just feeling humorous tonight?

 

[newmei]

I think he killed himself also......I have driven by the location and also live in the area......He was not rated to fly the helicopter he got caught with his pants down...He was probably upset about that. There was also booze on his breath at the hospital....
Furthermore I'd be willing to bet when he either "crash landed" in the trees or dove for the trees he did'nt have his belt on because he was completely ejected. Probably did'nt have the belt on to make sure the job was done. (Warning speculation coming up I don't want to be busted for slander) Also if you ask me he was heading up to the Crystal River Nuke plant......This is PURE speculation but that heading just happens to be that way. Why that direction? When he could have gone to 50 thousand different directions.

 

[AWACoff]

Oh my gosh, what if he was actually heading for the area that he crashed in?!?! I heard there was a Synagogue and a Temple up that way as while...maybe he was an anti-Dentite Gotta love people posting conjecture about crashing into nuke plants on a public forum.

God knows the general public is already scared enough as it is. ASSUMING the guy commited suicide, he was just a nutcase plain and simple. It's unfortunate that it wasn't caught in time but let's not make judgements based on 3rd hand info and newspaper accounts.