TWA Lawsuit

[Flyer1015]

Does anyone have a cliffs note version of what the subject is about regarding the lawsuit, and why someone said that he hopes ALPA loses?

 

[dicko]

Does anyone have a cliffs note version of what the subject is about regarding the lawsuit, and why someone said that he hopes ALPA loses?

This link should take you to the Seham Report. It's ugly.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...yXyBT9&sig=AHIEtbSeZh6Pg-e-TPvhGvR5ZXFFYYOgdQ

 

[B6Busdriver]

Good luck tomorrow TWA. Drive a stake right into the heart of alpo.

From your avatar it looks like you....." crawled through a river of doo doo and came out clean on the other side."

 

[swa737-700]

From your avatar it looks like you....." crawled through a river of doo doo and came out clean on the other side."

And your point is...?

Sounds like your attitude is that since things worked out for me anything alpa did is OK? Get real my friend and understand that alpo made me crawl through your river of doo doo because they are dishonest. Yes I am doing just fine but I still resent the underhanded bs that they pulled. Go educate yourself on this lawsuit and see if you might be a bit steamed at the behavior of the alpo folks.

 

[B6Busdriver]

And your point is...?

Sounds like your attitude is that since things worked out for me anything alpa did is OK? Get real my friend and understand that alpo made me crawl through your river of doo doo because they are dishonest. Yes I am doing just fine but I still resent the underhanded bs that they pulled. Go educate yourself on this lawsuit and see if you might be a bit steamed at the behavior of the alpo folks.

I've flown with your type countless times. I'm glad you have something to channel all your anger in to.

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

Go educate yourself on this lawsuit and see if you might be a bit steamed at the behavior of the alpo folks.

I read the complaint. The TWA pilot's case is weak. 90% of the claims will be impossible to prove. I saw a lot of claims that will be easily refuted by a much stronger and better funded ALPA legal team.

Like all lawsuits, this complaint is one side of a he-said-she-said battle. Has anyone heard ALPA's defense? Do you know who is going to be deposed, and what they will say?

If not, please don't be surprised when you hear the TWA pilots lose.

 

[filejw]

I read the complaint. The TWA pilot's case is weak. 90% of the claims will be impossible to prove. I saw a lot of claims that will be easily refuted by a much stronger and better funded ALPA legal team.

Like all lawsuits, this complaint is one side of a he-said-she-said battle. Has anyone heard ALPA's defense? Do you know who is going to be deposed, and what they will say?

If not, please don't be surprised when you hear the TWA pilots lose.

Yet there is a reason they make you play the game. Ask the Miami Heat, favorites don't aways win.

 

[Raoul Duke]

If memory serves, ALPA was sued by United and chicked out immediately before trial and settled for the value of their insurance policy. I would not be surprised to see the same logic employed here.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

...and the first assessment handed out to the newest ALPA members to pay for ALPA's loss? Jetblue!!!

 

[glasspilot1]

If memory serves, ALPA was sued by United and chicked out immediately before trial and settled for the value of their insurance policy. I would not be surprised to see the same logic employed here.

Except.........the trial has already started.

 

[thruthemurk]

...and the first assessment handed out to the newest ALPA members to pay for ALPA's loss? Jetblue!!!

It will be worth it.

 

[swa737-700]

bump....

Anyone have any updates/impressions of the status of the lawsuit? When will closing arguments be presented? Thanks,

 

[xjhawk]

I hope someone slams ALPA. Mesaba's union reps are lap dogs to national-they would barely admit that a bunch of us were slammed on our seniority but never once admitted that we were treated unfairly-even though many of my group in Mesaba got 2:1 or even 3:1 on our seniority. But hey as they said....as long as the Senior mesaba pilots got a good deal.....WTF! If you were hired between 2001 and 2004/5 you got the serious shaft-I wish I could join you TWA people in your fight against ALPA

BTW-I directly hold ALPA national responsible for not having in place a fair and defined merger policy.....HOW THE F%^K CAN YOU ALLOW BLOCK TO PUT GUYS WITH HALF MY LONGEVITY BE SENIOR TO ME??????? stab me in the back.....NEVER TRUST ALPA>>>>>I say this knowing I think I know some good people at our local level....they try to fight the good fight but still drink the ALPA cool aid too much

 

[Jim]

I hope someone slams ALPA. Mesaba's union reps are lap dogs to national-they would barely admit that a bunch of us were slammed on our seniority but never once admitted that we were treated unfairly-even though many of my group in Mesaba got 2:1 or even 3:1 on our seniority. But hey as they said....as long as the Senior mesaba pilots got a good deal.....WTF! If you were hired between 2001 and 2004/5 you got the serious shaft-I wish I could join you TWA people in your fight against ALPA

BTW-I directly hold ALPA national responsible for not having in place a fair and defined merger policy.....HOW THE F%^K CAN YOU ALLOW BLOCK TO PUT GUYS WITH HALF MY LONGEVITY BE SENIOR TO ME??????? stab me in the back.....NEVER TRUST ALPA>>>>>I say this knowing I think I know some good people at our local level....they try to fight the good fight but still drink the ALPA cool aid too much

Maybe you should give up on your Hawaiian desires than as most of us here are stand firmly behind ALPA.

 

[xjhawk]

I have been stabbed in the back by ALPA-I am not saying there are not good people that work for the local MEC-all I am saying is that I have learned not to trust ALPA-if you lost as much seniority as I have, you would understand. ALPA is wrong in the matter that it does not have a system in place to cover mergers. Mr Bloch handed a decision over that effectively prevents me from staying at Mesaba if I wanted to. ALL the 2001-2004 hires at mesaba know we were handed an unfair deal. SO what you are saying is that I should go on trusting an organization that effectively took half my seniority and have it to much junior pilots at another airline?

I have desires to work at good airlines that have good people. I am and have actively volunteered for ALPA supporting our pilot group. Yes I am disappointed in ALPA and think the organization needs to be held accountable. DO you disagree with this Jim? Do you think I should still trust ALPA after going from the high 300's in seniority to the mid 1200's after they merger our lists? That I should trust them after losing over 7% seniority while many gained 5-10% in relative seniority and bidding power? That my current union leadership with national members in attendance used questionable methods to come up with seniority percentages arguing against those of us who lost the most-saying that it was for the greater good (leaving out the fact that they greatly increased their own personal gains in relative seniority).

I like how you are quick to judge a mans character and push him away from a good airline (everything I have heard) when you do not know or just ignore the reasons why he has the opinions he has. I served in the Army for 14 years, am a disabled veteran, former officer, and a good husband, father and friend. I am so glad to know that there are guys like you at Hawaiian that want to push guys like me away from Hawaiian. I take offense at your comment and will not judge HAwaiian pilots solely on your ignorance. By the way I will continue to volunteer for ALPA when time permits-being that our second child was just born and I am still picking up trips to go down to 8 days off as my wife is not back to work and will be going back to school at the end of summer. Thanks .......