TSA takes it in the pooper

Butters

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Fellow Pilots,

This is Jason Kagan, your MEC Vice Chairman, with an update to the VARS on Thursday August 25.

Last May, the president of our Association, Capt. Duane Woerth, traveled to STL to help us send TSA management two clear messages: “give TSA flying back to the TSA pilots” and “G-o-J-e-t can become a building block or a battleground, management needs to decide.”

After Captain Woerth’s visit, TSA management finally agreed to come to the bargaining table. With the support and guidance of ALPA national officers and staff, your MEC recently offered a proposal to TSA management that would allow us to become the most competitive 70 seat carrier in the industry. That proposal was a building block offered by ALPA.

Today, with great disappointment, I announce TSA management has refused to respond to our proposal, effectively abandoning negotiations to pursue other alternatives.

The choice was clear, “building blocks or battleground.” TSA management has chosen a battleground.

The pilots of TSA did not ask for this fight. All we asked for was an opportunity to operate these 70 seat jets at a pay rate comparable to the industry. After all, it was our dedicated effort that brought this opportunity to TSA, and we believe we have the right to participate in TSA’s continued growth.

By refusing to offer a proposal and abandoning negotiations, TSA management has sent a clear message to the TSA pilot group: your dedicated efforts don’t matter. TSA management has left us no alternative but to fight for what is rightfully ours. Brothers and Sisters, we have a long fight ahead of us, we have to remain focused, unified, and confident that our union of more than 60,000 members will help us prevail.

With that said, I cannot over stress the importance of continuing to conduct ourselves as the professionals we are. With the help of ALPA National, we will begin a series of legal initiatives intended to demonstrate our solidarity. We will take the high road and we will remain on the high ground. I want to make one thing absolutely clear: your MEC does not support and will not condone any illegal job actions against the Company. Conduct your day-to-day operations as professionally as you have in the past.

On Wednesday August 31, we will conduct informational picketing at the St. Louis and Washington Dulles airports. Your MEC asks that all pilots who can attend do so to show your support for your MEC and your fellow pilots.

In St. Louis we will be meeting at the Airport Marriot Hotel at 7 A.M. We will be picketing throughout the day. In Dulles, pilots are asked to meet at the ALPA offices in Herndon; directions are available on the TSA ALPA website. There will be a shuttle to transport pilots from the Richmond domicile to Dulles Airport.

Please contact a representative for more information or check the ALPA website. We hope to see as many of you there as possible.

Fly safe. Fly your contract.
 

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410dude said:
Like ALPA national (mainlines) are going to help!

Like you would know one way or the other. :rolleyes:
 

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Butters said:
....your MEC recently offered a proposal to TSA management that would allow us to become the most competitive 70 seat carrier in the industry. That proposal was a building block offered by ALPA.


TSA ALPA offered MESA -1%. That would have made them the most "competitive" alright! Some kind of building block.
 

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KingKong2 said:
TSA ALPA offered MESA -1%. That would have made them the most "competitive" alright! Some kind of building block.
Hey Mr. know it all, would you care to share the rest of the proposal with us?
 

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KingKong2 said:
TSA ALPA offered MESA -1%. That would have made them the most "competitive" alright! Some kind of building block.
If this were true (and I don't believe it is for one second), then what benefit does the company have by creating a seperate seniority list for HoJets at a higher pay rate when ALPA has offered a lower payrate for current pilots? Busting the union is the only plausible answer.
 

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KingKong2 said:
TSA ALPA offered MESA -1%. That would have made them the most "competitive" alright! Some kind of building block.
So Dan, tell us how wonderful your new teamsters contract will be. Backstabber!
 

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Homos.

Don't like it? Got a GED ? Go work at the QuickTrip they pay over 45k first year.








Disclaimer: " I love all unions and aviation........they're the bestest !"
 

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Our senior captains would be earning 14th year pay while the GJ back stabbers at the most would be earning 4th year pay. (The company offered longevity up to 4 years to those pilots from other airlines). You can not look at year to year pay when comparing what we offered and what gj is negotiating. Even if what alpa offered sucked our pilots would be making more then what gj would be getting. Mesa's 14th year pay is 81/hour. Lets see what GJ pilots make that. Even if they get comair pay(73 at 4th year) they would still be making less then what our pilots would be making. Everyone seems to be missing that point. We are negotiating for 14th year captains while gj will have 1-2 year captains.
 

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This is why CHQ pilots fought so hard for scope covering all RAH flying. They can no longer farm out flying. Hopefully your next contract can reign in this flying as well. When is your contract up?
 

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FlyingDawg said:
This is why CHQ pilots fought so hard for scope covering all RAH flying. They can no longer farm out flying. Hopefully your next contract can reign in this flying as well. When is your contract up?
Contract is up next summer, and we're going to give up a lot if we want to get this flying back
 

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Don't forget about Aug 31 at STL and IAD. Come one come all!!!!
 

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KingKong2 said:
TSA ALPA offered MESA -1%. That would have made them the most "competitive" alright! Some kind of building block.
You stabbed 700 pilots in the back and provided the company with a tool to drive down our quality of life and career potential, Dan. You are not a popular guy in stl and your posting here doesn't help.
 

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flyer172r said:
Contract is up next summer, and we're going to give up a lot if we want to get this flying back
I don't think we have a lot to "give up".
 

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Amen

AMEN to that REDBOOK!!!

SOLIDARITY!!!!

STINKER
 

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Butters said:
Note: This site wouldn't let me post "G-o-J-e-t" as one word. WTF?



With that said, I cannot over stress the importance of continuing to conduct ourselves as the professionals we are. With the help of ALPA National, we will begin a series of legal initiatives intended to demonstrate our solidarity. We will take the high road and we will remain on the high ground. I want to make one thing absolutely clear: your MEC does not support and will not condone any illegal job actions against the Company. Conduct your day-to-day operations as professionally as you have in the past.

On Wednesday August 31, we will conduct informational picketing at the St. Louis and Washington Dulles airports. Your MEC asks that all pilots who can attend do so to show your support for your MEC and your fellow pilots.

In St. Louis we will be meeting at the Airport Marriot Hotel at 7 A.M. We will be picketing throughout the day. In Dulles, pilots are asked to meet at the ALPA offices in Herndon; directions are available on the TSA ALPA website. There will be a shuttle to transport pilots from the Richmond domicile to Dulles Airport.

Please contact a representative for more information or check the ALPA website. We hope to see as many of you there as possible.

Fly safe. Fly your contract.
So all that ALPA has going for them is a informational picket? Is that what is meant as legal inititives? On this board a few weeks ago TSA ALPA supporters were saying that DW himself said there really is no legal way to prevent Go-Jet recognizing the Teamsters. Has that changed? Do you now feel that there is a legal remedy?

Still looks like a long uphill battle ALPA faces using a pea shooter while the other guys have a howitzer.

Good luck.
 
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The informational picketing is just a (probably worthless) device to generate some sympathy from the travelling public. Most of the travelling pucblic probably doesn't know who Trans States or Ho Jet is.

A far more effective strategy would be for the Trans States pilots to start calling the in and out times accurately, let mx items actually be written up at out stations, and stop using their personal cell phones to talk with company.
 

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Black Water Dog said:
The informational picketing is just a (probably worthless) device to generate some sympathy from the travelling public. Most of the travelling pucblic probably doesn't know who Trans States or Ho Jet is.

A far more effective strategy would be for the Trans States pilots to start calling the in and out times accurately, let mx items actually be written up at out stations, and stop using their personal cell phones to talk with company.




Now now...any prudent 121 captain wouldn't admit they are flying aircraft with known mechanical discrepancies. Perhaps a old 135 frieght hauler, but don't say it is so. None of us has ever let their chief pilot, MX control, or non-flying corporate members twist our arms. No that would never happen.



And of course when you get caught doing it...guess who they leave hanging in the wind. It is amazing what we do to keep our jobs or perhaps to loose them. Do you think the company is not going to use you for a scap goat?



Most companies think they have us by the short hair since there are so many without jobs and willing to drink the cool aide. Wait while I take a swig of the juice...
 
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